Question about HLA

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I have strated BG2 with Abdel who I imported from BG1. I plan on trying to see if I can duel my Ranger into a Mage (as I don't believe anyone here has yet to try this). My question about HLA is, do you gain the HLA for the previous class if you duel before you achieve the HLA for that class? Example, I duel Abdel when he is a level 13 Ranger. When the Mage class has enough xp to gain HLA do I gain the Ranger HLA as well?

 

I don't think so. None of my dual classes ever got their first class HLAs.

 

Nah, you can't get HLAs for an inactive class.

 

No, you don't get HLA's for the first class, which is mainly because, if looked upon logically, you haven't gained enough lvl's with that first class to even acquirre their HLA's in the first place. If you were to lvl a Kensai up to, say, 25 THEN you'd get to pick HLA's for that Kensai. If you then were to dual afterwards, and lvl up to lvl 26 with a mage THEN you'd get the new mage HLA's. I don't know if the former Kensai HLA's would return (or still be active whilst the class itself was inactive) seeing as I've enver actually dualed a character of that high a lvl - that would just be plain silly, imho. Besides, due to lvl restriction you would wound up only getting 2-4 HLA picks in each class. Without an exp cap remover, you would have to be a Kensai 21/Mage 22, and you would max out at K 21/M 23. Your Ranger/Mage would also end up with something along those lines.

 

You need three million experience in a class before you begin to get its HLAs. If you get three million experience in one class, then dual to another, then get three million experience in that, you'll still only get the HLAs for your active class.

 

@ Prine

No. If you gain three millions experience points with one class and gets the HLA's and THEN dual to another class you will still have the HLA's active. Then if you gain 3 millions with your new class then you gain new HLA's according to your new class but you still keeps the HLAs you've picked for your first class. I've tested it (Though that was with a fighter/mage and the explaination could be that the HLAs are added as innate spells).

 

I misread your post, thought you were suggesting that you might be able to take new HLAs in your old class if you'd previously gotten at least three million experience in it.

Did you edit it, or is my memory even worse than I'd thought?

 

Yeah, it wasn't a very good explanation at all, so I guess it's easy to misunderstand, sorry.

 

That is one of the disadvantages of dual classing versus multiclassing. In multiclass, you gain access to HLA's from all your classes -- that is because you are still progressing in all your classes. When you dual, your PC completely abandons his/her previous occupation and can never progress in it again -- hence, no HLA's for the abandoned class.

If you're cheating in a ranger/mage dual -- why not just cheat and change his race to make a multiclass?

 

@ Prine

I did edit a wee; added this:

 

If you knew how I play BG series you would know that I don’t cheat. My character has a tendency of killing random individuals who piss me off, such as Amoen dad. And as such his reputation tends to flux. So when my Ranger reputation fluxes to the point he has fallen from nature’s grace, he will try his skills in magic. If he can than he will try to redeem himself and gain his Ranger’s abilities back. My question was more or less, if you go achieve the required XP to gain the warrior HLA and than duel, later on when the second class achieves it HLA, do you have access to the first class HLA. I am only asking because my goal is to bring Abdel to level 17 to get x3 backstab as a Ranger and hopefully be able to dual him afterwards.

 

Then the answer would be yes. But you will have acces to the warrior HLAs all the time! Even while your Ranger calss is still inactive (though logically you shouldn't be able to backstab before regaining your Ranger abilities).

 

This is interesting - if you are a fallen ranger you are able to dual class just like a fighter would? I know that a "fallen ranger" is essentially just a fighter, but I assumed that the dual-classing restrictions still held i.e., that rangers could not dual class to mages.

 

No, Fallen Ranger still can dual class only to Cleric.

 

Then how is dual classing a ranger to a mage not cheating?

 

How is it that a Fallen Paladin can duel to a Mage but a Fallen Ranger cannot? I read in one post that if you become a Fallen Paladin you are able to dual class to a mage if you have the correct stats to do so and I have not heard of any one trying this for Rangers, so I am giving it a go. If it fails than I will start over as a Paladin. I do however would hate to give up my character who has 19's in all stats expect Cha. But oh well. If it doesn't work than I just have to go back to the drawing board.

 

Paladin and Fallen Paladin can't dual class. I just tested it - http://sweb.cz/razfallow/Baldr015.jpg

 

That might be a side-effect of the Virtue mod.

 

Well this is from game with latest patch and Baldurdash fixpack and without mods - http://sweb.cz/razfallow/Baldr016.jpg

 

Paladin and Rangers can't dual class. I tested it myself last night. Now my only question is now is do I want to start the BG series over with a class I dual or should i finish the game with my Stalker?