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Racial Enemy for my Stalker?

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by OzziS, Feb 18, 2004.

  1. OzziS Gems: 2/31
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    I have installed the BGtutu mode that lets you play BG1 with the BG2 Engine, with interface, resolution and kits. But this raises a lot of qustions for me. I hope you can answer them.

    - Do I get to rechoose my racial enemy and weapon prof when I import to BG2?
    Some people have said that since I have the Tutu, the game will not be importet like any other BG1 save. And therefore I don´t get to rechoose racial enemy and weapon prof.
    If this is the case, I must choose my weapon prof acording to BG2 and weapon prof acording to BG2. That would mean racial enemy: Vampires (witch there are none of in BG1) and weapon prof Kantanas and maces (Arn´t any katanas in BG1 at all. That suck).

    - What kind of racial enemy should I choose for my eleven stalker?
    Witch kind of enemy is most troublesome in BG1?

    Hope you can help me. Can´t start the game until I know these things. Thanks
     
  2. Baronius

    Baronius Mental harmony dispels the darkness ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    Vampire is a good choice, or anything which is common in BGII. Some people will advise you to choose Dragon or Demons etc, but there are only a few of those and the bonuses do not worth it, so I strongly recommend a common creature.
     
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    But hat would mean that I can´t get any use of my racial enemy in BG1. There arn´t any vampires in BG1
     
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    I honestly can't answer your question on the racial enemies, because I have never imported a ranger into BG2 using BGTuTu. However, there is a very simply way to find out: Create your stalker, then immediately import him into BG2, and see if you can re-choose your racial enemy or proficiencies. If you can, no problems.

    As far as proficiencies go, it would be an utter waste to spend points in katanas in BG1. Pick scimitars, or something of the like. Then, when you import into BG2, start placing all of your newly-earned proficiency points into katanas. By the time you leave Irenicus' dungeon, you'll probably already get your first proficiency point in katanas (assuming you transfer from BG1 with 161,000 XP) and you'll get your second in the very early stages of the game - certainly by the time you're ready to go after CF.
     
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    i'd recomment vampires as well because the opponents of bg1 are really others than in bg2. you wont need your racial enemy bonus from bg1 in bg2 because you slaughter those easy ones from bg1 anyway. bu vampires ... you need to kill them as quick as you can because a stalker cant wear any of those permanent protecting from lvldrain items and the spell negative plane protection does not last very long.
     
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    @ bloodtitan: I think the Stalker could still wear that amulet Aran Linvail gives you when you embark on the quest to eradicate and help Mook at the docks.

    I would suggest you taking vampires, a great choice if you ask me. There is nothing more pesky and dangerous than a group of vampires and your characters down by six points of drain.
     
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    @Baronius

    I don't consider demons rare at all - you're bound to come across one at sooner or later and they're particularly plentiful later on in the game.

    I also don't think having Vampires as racial enemies is a very good idea, since the only real problem with them is level drain - picking one for a racial enemy will help you kill them faster, but it won't protect you from it. There are also many ways to kill vampires without any trouble.
    Demons are different, and protection from evil doesn't work against all of them.
     
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    Minsc is a vanilla ranger and he cannot wear the Amulet of Power so it is unlikely that any ranger or ranger kit can wear it. As I recall, any time I played an archer they could not wear the amulet either.

    As for racial enemy, there are plenty of opportunities to encounter vampires in SoA, but only 1 opportunity in ToB. If you include a cleric in your party, vampire encounters in SoA get ridiculously easy as the cleric's levels go up. They can outright destroy all but a select few vampires in SoA. Mid to High level cleric + Sanctuary + Turn Undead = undead puree.

    I agree with Baronius in that you should choose something a bit more common.
     
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    If its an option I'd recommend either Beholders or Mind Flayers. Plenty of those in SoA
     
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    I usally go for Golems or Mind Flayers, who both can be tough indeed.
     
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    noone but single or multiclass mages can wear this amulet (oh and thieves with HLA).

    i dont think illithids are a good choice. you can even kill them with normal weapons and there are plenty of anti-charm items and anti-psionic items to prevent their only danger. their thac0 isnt that dangerous. as for the vamps : you encounter most of them when they ARE a danger to your group.in later stages they wouldnt be so much trouble.
    so i recommend vamps again.
     
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    If you're talking about the amulet Aran gives you, it can only be worn by clerics and druids.

    As for the racial enemy, I always go with something powerful, like dragons or demons. I never pick it based on the most common monster (which would probably be trolls). The most common enemies aren't the tough ones. What do I care if I get a bonus to hit mind flayers? I plan on killing them quickly anyway. I DO care about getting a bonus to hit and bonus to damage on dragons.
     
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    My statement wasn't precise. Demons are common as far as their absolute number is concerned, but usually you can encounter them in specific areas, and these areas are not common at all.
    We could tell the same about Vampires but they are more frequent anyway, and more damagable than Demons. And I can say the same as in case of Dragons: their AC is relatively good. Anyway, in spite of all above, I think Demons are also a good choice as racial enemies, but if we want go to extreme, they are not the most optimal choice after all.

    Trolls are no big deal indeed. Vampires and Mindflayers are. And golems. Their AC is not so high so +4 has greater significance. I have already stated my viewpoint about why not to choose Dragons in one of my posts somewhere. Anyway, to each his own.
     
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    The Amulet of Power can be worn by any multi or dual classed mage, cleric, or druid. It cannot be worn by single class fighters, rangers, rogues (until the rogue gets their HLA anyway), or any of their kits.

    Read the item description, folks - it's pretty clear who can and cannot wear it.
     
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    @ Spell

    Yeah, you're right - my bad. I typically give it to a cleric or druid because they get closer to the front line, and so would gain a bigger benefit with the negative plane protection. It because of this that I was thinking clerics only. If I have a mage mixing it up with a vampire in melee, something else had to go wrong along the way, as my mage should be either casting spells, or using a sling - but either one far away from melee combat.
     
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    i usually go with vampires or demons. beholders are not an option for me because when you have shield of balduran or cloak of cheese they kinda kill themselves so idont bother
     
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    Take the dragons YOU WILL MEET A LOT OF THEM :) specially in TOB
     
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    Hmm, I only ever remember fighting two dragons in my whole run through the game, incl ToB, so I wouldn't choose dragons. I would go for Vampires or Golems.
     
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    Demons are still on top of my list. Baronius was correct that demons tend to collect in certain places and these places are rare, but there's no denying that when you do meet them you'll need to have your ranger (or everyone, for that matter) at his best. The Gate spell is also very popular in BG2, so you're bound to come across demons just about everywhere. Vampires, although their numbers are great, are not very troublesome given what powers and alternative you have against them. (Amulet of Power, Daystar, False Dawn, Sunray, Turn Undead, etc) Besides, Minsc already has them for a racial enemy.
     
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    Aren't most of the enemies you encounter in Watcher's Keep counted as Demons? The Demon Wraith might be an Undead, I am not sure. But the beings you meet in the Abyss (Slayer Shadow, Death Tyrant, Fallen Solar) must be Demons. I also take that when I play a Ranger.
     
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