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Revisiting Minnie (trilogy no reloads):

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by Klorox, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Klorox

    Klorox Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! Veteran

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    I might try the whole "no reloading" thing again, this time with my character concept "Minnie" (who has the minimal stats for her class). I originally thought of using her as an elven Ranger, who has the highest minimal stats, but I think I'll got with her as a half-elf Cleric/Ranger. The stats aren't quite as good (elves have a high minimal INT and CHA), but those stats don't really hurt a Cleric/Ranger.

    Here's a breakdown of her stats throughout the series:

    STR 13
    DEX 13
    CON 14
    INT 4
    WIS 14
    CHA 3

    Which won't be terrible come the end of BG1:

    STR 14
    DEX 14
    CON 15
    INT 5
    WIS 17
    CHA 4
    (+1 to all from tomes, +3 to WIS)

    ...and pretty good come mid-ToB:

    STR 15
    DEX 14
    CON 16
    INT 6
    WIS 18 (-1 in Spellhold)
    CHA 6 (or 25 with Rod of Ugly cheese!)

    (+1 to all from Machine of Lum the Mad, -1 to WIS in Spellhold dream, -1 to DEX from Hell trials, +1 to WIS and CHA from Hell trials)

    I'd use DuHM a lot also, and that'll really boost her effectiveness in combat!
     
  2. Caradhras

    Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Veteran

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    You could get away with the extremely low CHA (shy, ugly and introverted) if your character is not going to be the leader... but 4 in INT?!
    You will be in a tight spot when facing the ilithids and that could be challenging. But from a RPing point of view this doesn't make sense...
    Such a low INT stat means that PC can't even speak common.

    I get your point about the low stat run (and no reload, man that's a challenge) but I'd go with at least 8 in INT (not bright at all, but not retarded either).

    Don't get me wrong but the minimal stats won't cripple her too much (as you pointed out you'll be using DuHM a lot) and with so many stats ehancing items I believe it can be done.

    I just don't like dumping INT that much.

    STR a low strength could result from a lack of exercise or a major illness.

    DEX lack of balance and of training, being clumsy and all.

    CON the illness thing works for a low constitution as well (or maybe some rituals performed or being exposed to poisons or dangerous potions from an early age).

    WIS a low wisdom could translate as being focused on her self and not so much perceptive about her surroundings. A very low or a very high wisdom stat makes sense for a "crazy" character (either the character is totally oblivious about his/her environment or is consciousness is at such a high level that he/she couldn't pass for "normal").

    CHA like I said, extremely plain or introverted with a complete lack of social skills or social grace.

    I just have a problem with dumping INT below 8 for the protagonist...

    That's just my opinion, I believe you could make the game even more challenging by taking another class (now a Beastmaster would be hard and you could get away with a very low CHA by arguing that this character doesn't fit with humans that well and is only comfortable with animals).

    Anyway, it's a nice idea and it's certainly a change from all the powergaming builds everybody has played. :thumb:

    Just don't use the Rod of Terror. :p

    By the way Have you thought about an anti-powergaming or reversed powergaming run? Giving high scores to stats a character won't really need could be fun:
    imagine a Thief with only 9 pts in DEX and 18 in WIS... 21 points in WIS in SoA won't be any good for a thief but from a RPing point of view that would be almost like some sort of cosmic awareness (and could justify your extensive knowledge of the game... this PC would be psychic!) :D
     
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    Sure, go for it! I see you always manage to find some way to make your game much more interesting and challenging! It will be hard, especially against ilithids, it will be one hit KO! :mommy: So be very very very careful, and you will be OK, I guess.
     
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    I don't think this game will be different from your first one.

    For a change you can try to get by without omitting any side quests and without raising dead party members.
     
  5. Felinoid

    Felinoid Who did the what now?

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    Nope. An 8 in INT gets you the same number of languages (one) as a 2, nevermind a 4. Only animal intelligence (1 INT) characters cannot speak.
     
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    Felinoid's correct, according to the Player's Handbook. Not only can a creature with 1 INT not speak in a discernable language, but it is also incapable of anything but short, instinctive, and animalistic thoughts. As for Klorox; good luck on the no-reloads attempt-- you'll definitely have your work cut out for you (no-reloads is hard enough with a power-gaming party; with Minnie getting through without dying will be practically impossible IMO).
     
  7. Klorox

    Klorox Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! Veteran

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    I don't care about what a 4 gives you. The point is that I'm playing with the lowest stats possible for a very powerful race/class combo.

    Originally I had considered creating an Elf Ranger, who has much higher minimum stats (an 8 in INT and CHA).
     
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