Soldier attacked with meat cleavers and knives in Woolwich

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What the actual fu.....
I don't even know what to say. There's some right rage and anger about this incident in the UK right now. Going to ramp racial/religious tension right up...

 

Ya think?!

FUBAR.

 

Clearly we need to ban meat cleavers.

 

What I don't understand is why there looks to be a large number of people around and NONE OF THEM ARE DOING ANYTHING. Come on, 20 people can take down 2 people with knives.

 

It takes people of courage....

 

Not only that, they're standing there videotaping the guy making his stupid statement while the victim is lying there dead or dying in the background.

 

A young man serving his country just walking down the street run over by a car then hacked at with cleavers? The police shooter showed great restraint not putting both men down on the spot. Sorry, seemed she did. Good for her. I misread a part of the story.

 

I thought you might have come to the conclusion that wow, when people don't have access to guns, it's a lot harder to kill somebody (first they had to be sure they outnumbered him, then because they still weren't confident about beating him in a fight, ran him over in a car, got out of their car and attacked him at close range with knives, then because it takes longer to kill somebody with knives than a gun, they were witnessed, they were covered in the evidence of their crime, a crowd had gathered, and the attackers realised it'd be useless to try and escape, and because their strategy of run a person over with a car then finish him off with knives was only possible for 1 attack, they couldn't fight back against the cops, so they were taken alive and can be interrogated), when if they'd had access to guns they could have just done a driveby, then another, and another, and another.

 

They shot to injure, the killers are in hospital.

Can we not turn this into another bloody gun debate.

 

Not while Arctic is trolling its way across the boards

 

good post Arkite.

I would also add that a cleaver is a mundane functional item, they aren't even that sharp, its their weight that makes them useful, most butchers use the back of the blade to knock down on sharper knives to get a much better cleaner cut through joints. Guns have 1 use, killing things.
This attack was meant to be brutal and shocking not effective an 8inch chefs knife would have been far more lethal.

I wonder if any anti games activists will blame games for this as this attack bears striking similarities to a scene from Mafia 2.

 

I'm not going to turn this in to a gun control debate. I have a different spin. This is a result of people being told for years to rely on their government. There are two types of people now and it is largely dependent on where you live and how you are raised to determine which you are. In a crisis your instinct is either to call and wait for the authorities or to put yourself in danger and jump in to action.

Courage may have a part in this decision making process, but I think a larger part of it is if you have been raised to be self reliant or not.

 

It's not that simple.

The bystander effect is a social psychological phenomenon that refers to cases in which individuals do not offer help to a victim. The probability of help is inversely related to the number of bystanders. In other words, the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help.

 

After seeing the disgusting comments people have made of Facebook I felt compelled to post my experience of immigrants and and the EDL on there:

I make no secret of the fact that I disagree with open door immigration but it's not because I don't like 'foreigners', it's because I am concerned that, right now, England doesn't have the means to support the people already living here.

That's it really. These EDL people are hiding their bigotry behind a campaign 'for the good of the country'. They have no idea what the good of the country actually is!

 

people don't generally like risking getting hurt, even if in a group of 10 men against a guy with 2 bullets most people will not risk being one of the 2 who will be shot. look at 9/11 the planes had close to 100 passengers against 5 men armed with primitive weapons 3 out of 4 waited and hoped for the best

 

Exactly.

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You are correct, but I think that is the point. For instance if this happened in the US and in particular in a state that allowed concealed carry is there any doubt that one of these "shocked citizens" would have drawn and fired?

 

In the immortal words of Marsellus Wallace, the police should..."call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' niggers, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."