Someone give Aldeth oxygen...(Civilization 5)

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...because Civilization 5 is coming out this fall. (!!!!!)

Happy Friday.

 

Ah, hell. Countless more hours of my life wasted...

That makes sense though - they come out about every five years. One day Mini-Fop will be playing Civ 8.

The other thing that sucks the big one is I haven't upgraded my computer since I bought it in 2004. I've been putting it off until some games comes out that compels me to do so. I played Dragon Age on the XBox with my brother, I wasn't wowed by it, so I didn't upgrade to play it. Currently my list of games that would cause me to upgrade my computer include Civ 5, Diablo 3, and Startcraft 2.

 

I've been frankenstein-upgrading my computer for years now, and I think it's finally time for me to just build/buy a whole new one already. Every time I think I'm going to play PC games less and less, they keep coming up with newer, more sophisticated games and I just cave.

 

Go for the new rig DR, it makes everything so much easier. I will shed my antique on Saturday when my new baby arrives. Monitor is there today, just waiting on UPS for the final delivery. I'm drooling just thinking about it.

 

I usually just buy a new tower. Granted, that's the most expensive piece, but it does save you a few hundred bucks that it would cost for a monitor and printer. My printer is a Compaq InkJet 9000, which I think is about 10 years old. For the amount of printing I need to do, I can't see the sense in buying a new one. I don't print anything in color (although it is capable of doing so), and most of what I do print is text anyway, so the only thing a new printer would do is print faster. I bought a flat-screen monitor a few years ago, but that's only because my big clunky one finally died after a good 10-15 years of service.

 

Oh yeah baby, hexagons!

 

I never really understand the attraction with these games. Maybe it's just a mindset thing.

 

Hey, they are stealing from Battletech (old school), Renegade Legion, and Settlers of Catan....

Oh, thats called learning from what you observe.... and tactically it really doesn't change the game.

Barmy, you just don't understand what it is like to conquer a continent do you?

 

Funny, Barmy, I thought you liked the Medieval Wars series. Is it that different from Civ?

 

@Caradhras: They're quite different, yes. Civ IV requires more of a planned playthrough than M2:TW does, with its tech trees and resource management. On the other hand, M2:TW has a far longer campaign with much more tactical battles where your own tactics determine the outcome of a battle far more than the size and composition of your army does. Personally, I'm with Barmy in that I like the Total War series a lot more than the Civ series.

 

For a really complex but detailed game you could have a game that combines the 2.

Total War sounds a lot like Imperial glory where the Tech Tree is smaller/simpler but you could choose to fight your own battles and your tactics really mattered.

Does Total War let you pick how your society/nation changes like Civ does?

 

Total War IS the combination of RTS and turn based strategy. Do not think it is possible to combine the two any better than what Total War has done.

As for Civ5, I dunno, they have been talking about hexagons since the development of Civ2 and decided not to go down that path. Wonder why they changed now. I like the grid system, I can see, I mean really *see* the grid system and use it. How will I be able to see my BFC now?

 

I like hexagons, it brings more possibilities to the game. I'd definitely enjoy this modification. It probably won't take that long to get used to.

 

I agree with Henkie - I think the Civ series and the TW series are totally different. Civ is largely a city/empire building game in which war is one part. The TW series is mostly a war game where city/empire building is one part.

EDIT: How are hexagons better, btw? Currently, I can move in any one of eight directions from my current square, whereas with a hexagon grid, that seems to be only, well, six obviously.

 

In theory a hexagon provides a more stable matrix, in a strategic viewpoint for use of combat - less weakpoints on your own front and more oportunities to create angles of attack that benefit you.

 

I just have to say that I love it when a woman talks like that.

 

It just seems like a race to get the next better unit. it almost seems pointless buying archers / pikemen when if you give it a while, you can roll them with a tank. It's all bit daft. I also don't like how you can just randomly put your cities anywhere, but they still carry a proper name. 'Combat' is also very poor. I understand the whole technology tree business, I just find it all very boring unless I can see the fruits of my labour on the battlefield.

 

Ever tried Imperial Glory?

Sounds quite similar with multiple regions you move into an a strategic map and when 2 opposing groups of units there is a realtime tactical battle if you want it (which is usually better to fight yourself rather than let the computer do it for you).

 

Imperial Glory is basically a Total War clone as I understand it, except it does not have any morale factors (as well as a few other touches) that mean it's missing a lot of the tactical edges TW has.

 

Indeed, the prevalence of hexagonal structures in chemistry does seem to support that it is a stable structure - just look at (some forms of) diamond and graphite. Not only that, it also makes somewhat more sense that someone can only attack if they share a whole border with you, instead of just the one corner.

I don't really understand what the big deal is about hexagons in Civ V, though. I imagine that the BFC will be replaced by a circle two hexagons thick around your city, and that suddenly all your workers and armies will be walking like it's 1997 and they're walking out into a natural light, seeing the outside for the first time in their lifes.