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Specialist Mages. Spell Learning Penalty?

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by Lokken, Jun 10, 2001.

  1. Lokken Gems: 26/31
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    I dont really know that much about the rules according to specialist mages, except that they cant learn opposition school spells.

    So, I was creating a necromancer, and remembered reading of some plusses and minus' to saving throws and some penalty to learning spells (can't remember which ones really).

    Can a specialized mage learn all the high level spells of other schools, except the opposition?

    I would really like to know, thank you
     
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    As you said it, the only difference with a specialist mage is that they cannot cast spells from the opposite schools. Aside form that, they get one more spell of each level than normal mages. (I.e. they get an extra slot in the spellbook).

    And that's about it.

    [This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited June 10, 2001).]
     
  3. Avooch Dar Guest

    Actually Taluntain there is someting to add..........i think this is correct anyway:

    A specialist mage will recieve a -15% penalty to learning a spell from ANY oppisition school.

    So therefore if you had a 20th level illusionist with 25 intelligence. he would still only have a 85% chance of learning monster summoning 2.
     
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    Actually you have 150% chance of learning spells with an int of 25, but nm ;)

    Ehm, waht is this about the saving throws? is it just me that got confused or can someone post it specificly about boni and penalty?

    [This message has been edited by Lokken (edited June 10, 2001).]
     
  5. Avooch Dar Guest

    well then you would have a 135% chance of learning (makes all the difference don't you know!!!!)

    And i think that maybe (but not sure...please someone correct me if i'm wrong) you get bonuses to saving thows against spels of our own school. But as i say i think it is just a rumour. :D :D :D
     
  6. shadow_thief Guest

    actually...if i read correctly...it says here:
    mages that specialize in a specific school of magic are allowed to memorize an extra spell of each level. they are prohibited from learning spells in their opposition schools, and cannot be combined in multi-class char.(except gnomes). human specialist mages can dual class if they wish.
    and then it goes on describing all the specialist mages.
     
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    AD&D 2nd Ed. has a -15% penalty to learning spells outside of school, and +15% bonus to learning spells in your school. Opponents get a -2 to their saves against spells in your school, and you get +2 saves vs. spells in your school. (And the additional automatic spell, and opposition schools, as you know.) Without looking at the code, I can't tell if these are implemented in BG2, though they don't seem to be in the documentation, but it certainly seems like Jan has a lot of trouble learning spells.
     
  8. shadow_thief Guest

    thats why NPCs suck!

    [Enough with the nonsense shadow_thief... BTA]

    [This message has been edited by Blackthorne TA (edited June 12, 2001).]
    i still think NPCs suck, blackthorne
    but ill stop :(


    [This message has been edited by shadow_thief (edited June 12, 2001).]
     
  9. ayecapitan Guest

    The whole specialist thing is implemented not at all like i saw it in the players' handbook. Many mages have 2 opposing schools and many mages have opposing schools different from the ones in BG2... Maybe tis just impossible to implement all the rules exactly as they are, but i hope 'twill be better in NWN
     
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