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Spoilers requested regarding dragons

Discussion in 'Neverwinter Nights 2' started by Pac man, Nov 10, 2006.

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    How on earth does one defeat dragons in NWN2 ? I thought i was pretty much a veteran when it comes to handling these kind of situations in games, but this time i get my behind kicked time and time again. I've tried several approaches, all to little or no effect, so spoil me before i go mad.
     
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    I haven't gotten that far yet, but here's an excerpt from our NWN 2 forum news from Nov 4th:
     
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    ****Spoiler****


    The only tough dragon is the one red dragon. I talked to it, went to the fire giants, then told the giants "no deal" to kill the dragon. I then proceeded to say, "Attack both" and run away... one fire giant went after me, the rest fought the dragon. When the dragon was low on HP I sent in Zhjaeve to harm it. (my party was level 15), so she was taking 150 damage twice I think before she died (has crazy regen), then the fire giants were a cake walk.


    ****Spoiler End****
     
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    That never worked for me, i think it was some sort of bug. The thing is, i agreed to kill the giants for her, and so i did, but when i returned to her to finish that quest, she told me to go ahead and attack the giants camp, which i obviously just did. It was there and then that i decided the kill the dragon as well, and see what's in all those chests behind here. I haven't had much succes so far.
     
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    Did you go kill the king Giant, it's the *other* enterence to the canyon that the dragon ISN'T at.
     
    omnigodly, Nov 13, 2006
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    After getting my butt handed to me several times I just spammed the heck out of it with Flesh to Stone. By the sixth attempt or so she rolled a 1. Dragon statue! Woot!

    I give Obsidian credit for this fight though. NWN1 had incredibly easy dragons, especially compared to BG2, so it was nice to see a worthy opponent especially so late in the campaign.
     
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    It was a tough dragon.


    FYI a dragons lowest save is reflex (dragons have a dex of 10 - period. All their saves grow strong based on HD, so with a CON of like 30 and WIS of like 25, Reflex is the weakest save. For a red dragon, this means you want to use cold spells to do double damage and avoid red spells which do 0 damage).
     
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    That was a tought fight (I took her on in her lair rather than letting the Fire Giants weaken her).

    I had Elanee, Zhaeve, Neeshka, and Khelgar.
    I cast Energy Immunity:Fire on everyone, Bull's Strength, Foundation of Stone, Tortoise Shell and Stoneskin on me and Khelgar, Barkskin and Stoneskin on Neeshka, Stone Body on Zhaeve, Greater Stoneskin on Elanee.

    Then I loaded the casters up on things like Moon Beam, Destruction, Harm, Bombardment, Flame Strike, Hammer of the Gods, Ice Storm, etc.

    The time I added Moon Beam to the list was when I won, so I think reducing the Dragon's strength with a bunch of those helped a lot. When the fight was over, everyone still had a lot of HP left.

    I think Elanee got the actual kill with her last Harm because she has the Dragon Slayer epithet.
     
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    Harm is amazing, it's 10/level or 5/level when saved on, so when you're fighting the dragon at about level 15, that's 150 damage or 75 a hit, and you won't miss, because as stated above, dragons dex = 10, touch AC = 10. With a buffed crew it's only a 5% chance ot miss (rolling a 1).

    The other thing to do would be buff the tanks and nail the dragon with cone of cold until it dies, since it takes double damage from that spell.
     
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    Am i missing anything? I experienced a bug with the dragon that, even after i had agreed to help her kill the giants she didnt show up... Anyway, after heading back to her lair, i fought it out and... had little to no difficulty. I did the usual anticipatory buffs and few characters *died, but other than that, she went down fairly easily. Lots of fire-resists. lots of disintegrates. lots of wacking with sharp objects. Little challenge. And it was on hardcore.
     
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    The only problem with Harm is you have to come in close where the dragon can disrupt your spell.

    The main problem I had was with the buffs the dragon put up. The only thing I had to take them down was Dispel Magic (and the Greater variety) and that didn't seem to work real well. I also had problems targeting just the dragon with the Dispels, so sometimes I'd take down my own people's buffs instead. So melee wasn't all that effective with the 50% concealment the dragon had (Ghostly Image? Not sure what it was).

    Also, I don't consider a battle won unless nobody "dies" (excepting animal companions), so I guess I'm harder on myself than I need to be :)
     
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