Tear of Bhaal for a neutral character?

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I am sure that this has probably been discussed before, but searched for the subject and couldn't find anyhting. I was a chaotic neutral mage and had Minsc, Korgan, Viconia, Imoen and Mazzy in my party. How was I supposed to do the quest for the Tears and not screw up my alingment? I thought may be I could do half quests as a good character and half as bad, so I killed the genie (or whatever he was) and took the sword, talked to the dragon, took the nymph cloak, fought Sarevok without turning into Slayer and did the quest where you sacrifice or don't sacrifice party member as a good one. After all that my alingment changed to neutral evil. Is there no way to remain chaotic neutral at all? I really liked the idea of being a crazy mage without any morale values good or bad whatsoever ...

 

Do them all the good way.

 

As counterintuitive as it may seem, if you don't have the mod that allows you to take neutral options in the Hell tests, in order to retain your alignment, you would have had to take the "good" path on all five tests. I know it makes no sense, but that's the way the unmodded game was designed to function. Even if you had taken the good path 4 times, and the evil path on only a single test, you would have changed to Neutral Evil (which is Bhaal's alignment).

You displayed sound logic in thinking that a neutral character should do some good and some bad, it doesn't work that way. It also doesn't make any sense that someone who is say, Lawful Evil, still has to take the good path in order to not change to Neutral Evil.

As I mentioned there is a mod that allows for neutral solutions to the tests, and as such, it is possible for you to change your alignment in a mulitple number of ways. Generally, it is easier to go more towards evil than good, but in the situation you described - doing three tests the good way and two tests the evil way, probably would have kept you as neutral.

 

Thanks! It seems weird - doing everything good way doesn't turn you good, but allows you to keep your alingment...

 

Look on the bright side, at least you weren't playing a class that has alignment restrictions on it. It could be a lot worse...

Besides Neutral Evil is sort of a "look out for yourself" class anyway, which isn't all that much different than what Chaotic Neutral is anyhow.

If it's really a problem get the mod that I describe two messages up...

 

Just curious - what happens if you play the class with alingment restrictions? Can a Paladin turn neutral evil? If you are a fallen paladin, you are what? Lawful evil, I guess, since you were lawful good...

 

If you play a character with alignment restrictions, you would essentially lose your class.

Paladins would still turn Neutral Evil - remember the only possibilities are what you start as, or Neutral Evil - there's no way to turn to Lawful Evil.

There are two ways to become a Fallen Paladin. One is to lose your Lawful Good alignment. The other is to have your reputation drop below 7. The same is true for Rangers. They lose all their ranger and paladin abilities, and basically become fighters, with all the restrictions but none of the bonuses.

What I don't know is what happens if you fail a test as a druid. They must be True Neutral. I don't suppose they would turn into a cleric - that wouldn't make much sense, but I honestly don't know.

 

Next time I play, I'll try druid PC and fail him to see what happens... I think may be he'll turn into a fighter, because with a cleric, don't you have to choose what god you serve? Or am I thinking of some other game game?

 

You have to choose what god you serve in IWD2; in BG2 it's optional I think (though there isn't much reason not to).

I didn't know that evil people lose their alignment too...that's quite strange. You'd think that a chaotic evil character that slaughtered everything in his path would be able to keep that.

 

Lotlanne, if you play a druid and choose the evil path you will have an evil druid - but thats of no consequence. He will retain all of his powers. Quite odd. No fallen treehugger.

 

Dendri: depending on your perspective, that might explain the Shadow Druids. They are a tad, um, nasty at times.