The earliest possible time to complete Watcher's Keep?

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Does anyone have any idea how it might be possible for a level 10-11 party to beat WK?

The farest I got was to the Chromatic Demon (how I got that far I have no idea at all) at level two but he kept slaughtering me and my Party was.

Theif (vanilla, duel weild short sord of mask, and scimitars)
Anomen
Kelsey
Korgan
Minsc
Jahiera

TBH I don't think it's even possible until you are at least level 15 but maybe it can be done sooner.

[ February 06, 2004, 23:09: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

I've completed WK with a 10-11 level party. It isn't easy to beat the chromatic demon, regardless of what level your part is. Just make sure you remember the vulnerabilities the different forms have. The Flail of Ages helps out for 3 out of the 4 forms. Otherwise just lots of stoneskin, ironskin, and well-prepared mages and clerics.

 

One of the major problems of completing WK at low levels is that you're only given low level monsters, which only gives low level xp, so instead of fighiting something like, Giant trolls you have to fight Orog's. While this is much easier it it means you miss out on a lot of potential xp.

 

I actually got to the third level of Watcher's Keep with a party at levels 7-8 when I was seeing how far I could get through the game without levelling up. I did pretty well all things considered although I'd done most of SOA by the time I went there so everyone had the best armour and best weapons.

 

Might do it after the underdark but I don't think so but actually after Saradush I find it very easy so maybe after the underdark. ;z

 

Spelladonna, you said you had completed WK with a 10-11 level party. On what difficulty level? And did you slay Demogorgon or used the scroll?

 

lol Sarevok. I can't remember you ever being so indecisive when you destroyed Nashkels iron!.... ok ok sorry, I apologise.

I have never even attempted to tackle WK before I have left Saradush after beating whats-his-face .

 

I think that’s pretty much all I destroyed wasn’t it? Just a poxy iron mine. ;(

Actually, I think level 15 is about right but maybe a touch more, I mean some of them fights can get pretty hard in some of the lower levels, I don’t know, maybe 16-17 ? Anyone completed it any earlier?

 

Spelladonna said level 10-11. But it is not beside the point whether Spelladonna destroyed Demogorgon in a battle or used the scroll, and what difficulty level Spelladonna used.
By the way, there is a battle in Watcher's Keep against Xei Win Toh and her companions which is a big challenge; I think if there is a battle which needs high-level characters there, then it's this.

 

Yep, I'm a hard fight

Anywho, it's likely possible to complete it straight out of Irenicus' Dungeon, though I never bother with it until ToB. It's ToB stuff, so it should be done in ToB, imo.

 

Are you joking? At least not on middle difficulty level. In fact, on Normal level even, it is very hard if possible at all.

 

Xie win toh: it can be cpmpleted whenever you want to complete it, if rules said you were only allowed to take fighters and no one else, would you follow it, or do whatever you need to win?

 

@Baronius: I *think* I've heard of someone doing it, so it's might not be totally impossible. Maybe if you did only all quests you needed to get your favourite party (excluding Imoen).

@casey: I do it when *I* think it's appropriate and possible, You do it when *you* think it is. And, if rules only allowed fighters, would there BE anything else?

 

Well that's exactly the point I was trying to make all your defensivness has done is repeat what I already said.

I was just using this as an example to make a point, it was the best i could think of on short notice

 

Then we're agreeing, I suppose.

 

There might be a misunderstanding. Which Irenicus dungeon did you mean? The place where the game starts or the Spellhold one?

 

What I meant was that you might do quests to get your favourite NPCs, like De'Arnise Keep if you want Nalia, but no other quests, and not the Spellhold thing, since there's so much exp there, then go straight to WK. Clearer now?

EDIT: or you could do anything but not level up, then try WK with a starting level party.

 

My question referred to this. You say you did not mean Spellhold. Then you must have meant the other Irenicus dungeon where the game starts. But in this case, if you go straight to WK, you cannot do other quests.

 

Of course I'm talking the starting place.

Edit: Let me try to make something out of this mess. Right out of the start would likely be impossible, with only 5 chars and +1 equipment at best. But doing a few quests to get the NPCs you want, and no other quests, might make it work.

I'm dropping this now.

 

In that case, I agree; if you get better NPCs, items and some XP, it might be possible. Of course, as I mentioned several times before, many things depend on the difficulty level.