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U.K. Ministers were told of need for Gulf war ‘excuse’

Discussion in 'Alley of Lingering Sighs' started by Ragusa, Jun 12, 2005.

  1. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

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    Drip by drip more info about that war of choice in Iraq comes out: Recent article in the The Sunday Times, titled Ministers were told of need for Gulf war ‘excuse’
    The most remarkable aspect was that Blair was willing to suport the U.S., even though it was utterly clear to Blair and his staff that the U.S. leadership failed to do adequate post-war planning.
    The U.S. troop levels insufficient? Ain't that 'wildly off the mark'? :rolleyes:
     
  2. Dranalis DeAealth

    Dranalis DeAealth Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc Veteran

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    Yeah, but what I want to know is what Blair's reasoning for doing this was. We already know he used machiavellian - to say the least - tactics in the build-up to war, but his thinking can only really still be guessed at.
     
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    I don't care, I didn't even bother reading that boring rubbish.
     
  4. Dranalis DeAealth

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    I've overdosed on these kinds of things as well, tbh. As I said, we already know the general outline of what went on. It's no great revelation by this point.

    [ June 17, 2005, 04:05: Message edited by: Dranalis DeAealth ]
     
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    As other members have said, nothing to do with the government regarding the Iraq war now comes as a shock, labour's support stems simply from the fact that they will allways be better than the Tories.
     
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    Yay, another interesting post from our good friend Sarevok• . You know, the rest of us don't comment when we haven't got anything to say, but not him! Oh, no.

    The sad thing is that the media never considers all the information as a whole. Taken thus, it's beyond-reasonable-doubt that the Iraq war was nothing to do with WMD or Terrorisim, it was to do with one man wanting to finish his dad's job. Remember, Bush wanted Iraq invaded pre 9/11.
     
  7. Chandos the Red

    Chandos the Red This Wheel's on Fire

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    The real revelation is that a lot of people could care less. When the average person stops caring about what happens in a democratic-republic, the end result could be tyranny. Democracy: use it, or loose it.

    [ June 19, 2005, 17:22: Message edited by: Chandos the Red ]
     
  8. Dranalis DeAealth

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    I care; I just don't see what I'm expected to say about this piece of information, other than that which has already been said. We know that Blair's handling of Iraq was abominable - but that statement is, by now, platitudinous. This merely adds extra evidence to an already well-proven point.
     
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    Chandos the Red This Wheel's on Fire

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    Sorry - I was not referring to anyone on this board. I was speaking generally. But more to your point, and again generally, it would be better if people were engaged on the issues, rather than the personalities, or the images of those in power. It's about substance and not useless or politically self-serving slogans.
     
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    The average person already has stopped caring about what happens in a democracy
     
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    Thus, point proven.
     
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    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

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    To tell you the truth, the thing I find most disturbing here isn't necessarily that the US had pre-9/11 plans against Iraq, or that they massaged the data to get other countries aboard the coalition; it's how little attention they seemed to pay to the aftermath. In my mind, that says alot about the competance of this administration.
     
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    Well, the think-tank thought they'd be "throwing roses at our feet". With that kind of attitude - i.e., the seemingly impossibility of protracted insurgency - lead them to believe that they could take their sweet time in getting things setup. Of course, I have a hard time even conceiving that there wasn't a Plan B (known as a contingency scenario in military-speak) if the "roses at our feet" thinking didn't pan out as planned.
     
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    Probably having a "Plan B" would have gotten you branded as defeatist. Remember that Gen. Shinseki said they'd need 200K troops, and where did that get him?
     
  16. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

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    How again was that excellent article in The Atlantic Online? Blind Into Baghdad
    'Historic failure' is truly putting it mild, 'incompetent, blundering armchair militarists' or simply 'morons' would be closer to what I think.

    Just some of their bright ideas:And that's just the cream on the neocon sh*t sandwich.
     
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