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U.S. Dept of Labor goes insane

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by ArtEChoke, Jan 6, 2004.

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    U.S. Dept of Labor gives tips to employers on how to screw people out of overtime pay.

    This administration is corroding my sanity.

    I love this:

    and...

    Just more of the same crap from these guys, finding new ways to screw low-income people so that the guys on the top-rung can get an extra $.01 on their stock price.

    Its disgusting.
     
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    But you see, ArtE, this doesn't matter.

    We caught Saddam. There was a tax cut. America is safer.

    *cough* bullsh*t *cough*

    We could start a thousand threads on all the disastrous domestic policies this administration is putting in place, from our environment, to education, to the enormous growth of federal spending and shredding of privacy rights, all from the party that's supposed to be all about "smaller government." But our people just don't seem to notice all these little things when there's a war and a reelection campaign going on at the same time.
     
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    But you missed the best quote!

    LMAO!

    But really this is nothing new; all the above could already be done under current rules.

    New rules are going into effect, so the Labor Department is giving business owners information on what legal actions they can take.

    I'm sure there are plenty of fat corporations who could use the advice to "screw people out of overtime pay", but I'm sure these corporations already know how to do this.

    But what about the small company that's barely scraping by under the old rules and is not sure what to do under the new rules? What if they don't think they can afford their current work force under the new rules, and think they have to start laying workers off? These tips could save some poor guy who wouldn't mind making the same as he did before if it meant he'd still have his job.
     
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    Gah! I accidently killed what I was typing...

    simplified version (probably better)

    Blackthorne good points. However, in the situation you set up, the employee breaks even when he's working overtime, meaning, if work comes to a normal level, and he no longer needs to work overtime... he's now losing income. Something like that is pretty unique and needs to be settled between an employee and employer. Not for the dol to declare as the way out.

    The way I read the comments was, "These are the new rules, this is how to go around them."

    I did make a concerted effort to find the original release that held the statements, they may be sorely out of context, hard to say. The way I read them though, it seems pretty underhanded.
     
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    In simple economics, any time there is a government mandated hike to minimum wage or a mandated increase in overtime pay or calculation, the "low-end" workers are actually harmed, not helped. This is just more of the same. Over 90% of economists, no matter their party or politics, agree with the foregoing. Everyone just chooses to ignore it because it is "intuitive" that raising minimum wages and enforcing stricter overtime laws means more money for the workers. Well, it does. The problem is that the money is going to fewer workers at that base level. This appears to be a way to keep the work force, but it sure is weird coming from the DOL (not that any halfway intelligent corporate CFO couldn't have figured this out in three minutes, but still . . .)
     
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    I agree, except for the last sentence. The DoL is not declaring this as a way out, they are indicating several legal options that employers can use and still comply with the new rules.

    It will always be settled between the employer and employee. If the new terms are not affordable to the employer, he lays off employees (or goes under); if the terms are unacceptable to the employee, the employee goes elsewhere for employment.

    Or we have a strike like the grocery store workers are currently doing here in California.
     
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