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What is better weapon?

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by kukec, Jun 30, 2003.

  1. kukec Gems: 3/31
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    War hammer+2:
    THAC0: +2 bonus
    1d4+3 + 1 electical damage

    Wyverin's tail+2:
    THAC0: +2 bonus
    2d4+2 ( target must make saving throw vs poison or take 5 points of poison damage )

    Which weapon is better for Viconia?
     
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    Depends on what proficiencies she has. If you have profs for both warhammers and morningstars, I'd take Wyvern's tail, since it does more damage.
     
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    If you're a safer playing kind of guy you should take the warhammer, later enemies will NEVER fail saving throws without judicious use of weakening spells. A single point of damage will seldom make a difference though so I'd also go with the tail.
     
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    There's more than one point damage difference between the weapons.

    Without strength or proficiency bonuses (if any), the war hammer causes a maximum of 8 damage (16 if a critical hit occurs); the wyvern's tail causes 10 (20 if a critical hit occurs). The 1 hp damage from the war hammer can also be resisted against either from potions, protection scrolls or just by their nature, so that would make it a maximum damage of 7 (14 if a critical hit).

    There is always a chance to fail a saving throw, regardless of how powerful an enemy is or how well protected they are.

    A single hp of damage seldom makes a difference? That could explain why Harm takes you down to one hp, because it won't make a difference -- you're toast the next round. :rolleyes:
     
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    It's quite easy to decrease the enemy's saves by two (doom or bane, don't remember the name of the spell). Every kind of divine caster can cast this one spell, paladins and rangers included. Sometimes, with dragons and that ilk, you need to get rid of the guy's magical resistance first, but you would have to do so anyway if you were going to cast spells on him.
     
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    Who cares which weapon Viconia have. She is spellcaster, which mean that she is made to cast spells. And if she runs out of spells, give her a sling. 8 in CON and 10 in STR is waaaay to low for a close-combat character. And if anyone gets close, run, run like hell.

    Not dizzing Viconia though, che is my favourite character all times.
     
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    well her strenght is 19 so ...
     
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    If you waste the girdle of hill giant strength on her.

    The Wyvern's Tail is the better of those two.
     
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    I have also seen the Wyvern's Tail finish off trolls. I thought that only fire and acid did this, but I guess poison is lumped in there somehow. Can anyone verify this as well, or was I just mistaken when I played? If the Tail does take down trolls, then I would give it the nod as well.
     
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    Cant remember which weapon it was I had, but I think it made some pure magical damage and that weapon also took out trolls.
    Although I know trolls die from poison.


    I´d go with the Wyverns Tail if she has prof. spent on both.
     
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    The poison/magic trollkilling-thingie is right. Valygar kills heaps of trolls with his blade. I surly love that they have suck low saving throws.
     
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    [​IMG] What kind of damage Valygar's sword do?
     
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    Poison. It's a +2 weapon that some poison damage on each hit if save fails IIRC.
     
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    I think they get it for all nonphysical damage. Spear of withering works as well.
     
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    One thing though.... I never understood why it wasn't called a Club.... it sure LOOKS like a club... why morning star?

    But still... the hammers(except one) all suck.

    So, guys, what hand weapon DID you give Viconia?
     
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    Flail of the Ages. It's +3 and you can get it pretty early on. :)
     
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    I guess you gave her something that buffed up her strengh as well.
     
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    Not totally true about hammers. The Dwarven Thrower is a great one (2d4 +3), but it's only usable by....wait for it...dwarves. So no good for Vikki, I suppose. Regardless, I think that plus Crom are great reason to invest several proficiencies in Hammers.
     
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    Yes she have now flail of ages+3 wee ( i give one point to flail/morning star proficiency )!!!

    And yes like Rastor said she have girdle of hill giant strength ( set strenght to 19 ).
     
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    Well, I think you are set, then. That is EXACTLY what I gave her as well...
     
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