What Will it Take?

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I was browsing through the BBC news tonight, and I see the following:

"US vetoes UN resolution on Gaza"
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6139968.stm )

As the French say, deja vu. With all the effect of the resolutions on Sudan, I'd have thought that it wouldn't be so shocking if Israel at least got a "Shame on you" message. Frankly, it seems just cruel to the many victims on both sides that no matter where they bomb and how many casualties there are, the UN can't even make a statement condemning the violence because one of the sides has a good lobby in Washington. Naturally, muslims all over the world get a very negative opinion of UN, the US, and international politics in general, and if they feel they need to make a point, they opt for violence. It is, to say the least, regretable, but given how much support they receive otherwise, I wonder if they could do better. However, I think that in the past the US has also been more willing to at least wag a finger at Tel Aviv. Now there's apparently not even a token reaction. Maybe it's the whole 9/11 aftermath, but I think that this is not how the struggle against terrorism should be fought. If we don't want muslims to go on the warpath, why should we provoke them in such a callous matter? We are pouring water in the fundamentalists' mill, and then - surprise - Hezbollah, Hamas, and god knows what other thugs and crazies get elected.

Anyway, back to the question: what do you think it would take for the US to allow a sanction (even a moral one) against Israel? Please post even purely (hopefully) theoretical options, such as nuclear strike.

[ November 12, 2006, 01:19: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

I'm guessing if Israel did something without being first provoked, bombed, shot, kidnapped or some other sort of atrocity that would probably be deserving of criticism.

 

Hm, I suppose the Palestinians think the same way, right? It's certainly a good way to run business. After so long, both sides can point at some incident and say "See, they started it."


"The blocked resolution also condemned Palestinians who fire missiles from Gaza into Israel.

Israel's military said it has been targeting militants in Beit Hanoun who have been firing Qassam rockets into Israel, and blamed a "technical failure" for the misfire that killed the 18 civilians.

The United States cast the only vote against. Four council members abstained and 10 voted for the resolution.

Before the vote, Bolton said the United States joined the other countries in "deeply regretting" the injuries and loss of life in Wednesday's shelling, but said Israel has promised a full investigation.

Bolton said the resolution's text was "unbalanced.""


Right. Good thing he's there to mind the language, since everyone else missed the delicate nuances of phrasing. I hope he'll be as sensitive and diplomatic when it comes to a resolution on Iran.

[ November 12, 2006, 02:32: Message edited by: The Shaman ]

 

He might not have the time. From what I've read his re-confirmation hearing should be soon and the chances that he'll get to continue as the US ambassador in UN are very slim.

 

Can't say I will miss him. Anyway, I got a little sidetracked with the extra CNN excerpt in my second post. The thing is, I am genuinely a little fascinated by whether support for Israel is as complete on the lower level.

[ November 12, 2006, 03:22: Message edited by: The Shaman ]

 

Probably an end to terrorism and the handing over to the US of thousands of terrorists that they have warrants for (starting with Osama Bin Laden) to the point of the disbanding of terrorist groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Queda.

In short? Hell freezing over...

 

Hizbullah are only thought as a terrorist group in a few countries (US, Israel and Canada). In the UK only the armed wing are called 'terrorists'.


The US calls for democracy yet punished the Palestanians for voting who they want in government. Don't Hamas deserve the chance to evolve from a terrorist group to politicians like Sinn Fein and UUP? Hamas also observed a long ceasefire dispite Israel punishing (killing) the citizens of Gaza for the crimes of Islamic Jihad.

As Hamas and other groups in Palestine (rightfully) deserve criticism for the killing of Israelie civillians, so do Israel for their recent slaughter. I hope they feel proud of themselves for shooting unarmed females , and bombing children while they sleep.

 

Yes, they deserve. When you look at US, you see that terrorists can be elected( It is Bush, of course).
I think US government thinks US needs enemies and somebody to accuse for everything, so they don't want resolution. Or because they are just the greatest ****ed asses of the world. I think it is both.

 

This approach looks like our government's approach against PKK here and is doomed to fail as long as

-these organizations which you call as terrorists are not seen as terrorists by people living there

-government(s) fighting against these organizations are creating more terror than them.

Someone's terrorist group may be some other's army. Hamas and Hezbollah are seen differently by people in their lands. While undoubtedly Al Queda is a terrorist organization if I compare the invasion of Iraq by USA with September 11 attacks I can't see any difference between Al Queda and USA except one is not a government and one is. Oh sorry I forgot another difference : USA managed to kill more innocents than Al Queda.

 

You know. I'm increasing believeing that the US shouldn;t have a say in UN stuff, or should be ignored...

 

No, that would only exacerbate the problem. We think we're THE superpower AND moral authority on this Earth, so if the UN starts ignoring us, we'll just do our own stuff more often. Iraq would only be the beginning; we'd become more of a threat to world peace than we already are. Eventually the other nations would have to put us down hard to get the message through our skulls that we're not the only country out there. But the net result is everyone being poorer off; US for getting smacked upside our heads, and the rest for whatever we inflicted upon them.

[ November 16, 2006, 05:38: Message edited by: Felinoid ]

 

Oh how I wish Bush pulls a 'Clinton' and gets caught with his pants down ... so to speak. That way we can get on with things!! I shudder to think of the damage his administration will cause in the next 2 years...

 

@Faraaz
Didn't Bush have an affair with Ms.Rice?
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US can't ever punish Israel because there are many jewish people who are in control of Us economy...
But i don't think that with Kerry things will be different...

 

The problem is not really the US but the other countries that let the US blackmail them. In Ireland, nearly everyone was against the war in Iraq (apart from a percentage of racists), we are a neutral country, yet the government lets US warplanes refuel in Shannon airport. When a single mother smashed part of a US jet, she was sent to jail

I don't think anyone would have a affair with Rice, shes not exactly pretty.

 

OMFG she's so hot. She also plays piano. Seriously I know some people here who finds her beautiful.

 

They should get their eyes tested.. With all those sexy women in Turkey, I am amazed that Condi is even a consideration.

Back on topic - As long as US christian wackos believe that a greater Israel will bring the second comming sooner, there will always be support, no matter what. Bush claims that God talks to him (its actually Dick Cheney), and Ronald Raegan thought he would witness the apocalypse in his lifetime.

Check this out

[ November 16, 2006, 13:38: Message edited by: Cúchulainn ]

 

Taken from here.

We have our own version, that preach in Belfast town centre every Saturday

 

rotflmao. It is the funniest thing I have ever seen in a while. If you go against Israel, you will be destroyed by divine power blah blah blah... Again, rotflmao