What You Love and What You Dislike in Baldurs Gate II? Complaints, suggestions...

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I searched through forum archives and didnt find a complete complaints/desires list. To my mind this could be useful discussion not only for fans/gamers, but also could cause some interest from rpg game developers, if they saw it. I am sure each game developing company would be happy for such feedback, as good game can not be created by 3 scenarists, 3 designers and 5 beta testers.
Let us be short and specific.
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1 st. I want horses implemented in rpg game.

 

Developers say, that using horses would unbalance the game, so they sped up the characters movement rate, and reduced the large empty spaces.

Pros:

Fascinating adventures, Many creatures,heroes/Drizzt/ even drow, beholders and mind flayers(Yeah)

very nice graphical design

More, and more powerful spells than in BG1

Good replayability, thanks to the many classes and the class specific quests, strongholds

Cons:

So few maps, linear storyline.

No horses in the game

Some nasty bugs with the special spellcasters/sorcerer/

The monk class is stronger than all the others, they unbalance the game and should be left out from NWN!

[This message has been edited by TIN_MAN (edited May 10, 2001).]

 

I have only one criteria for all games I play, and all Black Isle games (Fallouts, BGs, IWD) qualify:

- I want to be able to replay the game three times and still not get bored with it, and I want a complex game with lots of small things and details, so when you learn all (or almost all) of them you think: "Damn, this game is well thought through!".

 

Are there bugs and issues that irritate me sometimes? Yes. For instance, if I was a dragon and Cloudkills started raining down on me from just outside my visual range, would I just sit there?

But overall the game is superb. It has excellent replayibility (is that a word?) and provides hours of enjoyment. Why focus on the negative?

By the way, how full is this glass here?

 

problems with the game:

1. a few bugs

2. Jan's quest seems to go nowhere and leaves a child-abuser/wife-beater running around

3. I didn't really like fighting irenicus so many times. just seemed like a very odd part of the story

4. too easy to run away from spell casters and wait for protects to wear off.. but:

5. protects were just too powerful to get around by non-mage characters. I used a kensai (no magic) who would have been dead or useless without mages using high level magic scrolls because the liches and irenicus kept casting 9th level protects on themselves, making my attacks worthless

otherwise, a game well worth 40$

 

-Self respecting Dragons would not allow some snotty bastards to lay traps around them unpunished.

-Computer controlled parties split when approched gently. You can make them follow you and then kill one by one.

 

Baldurdash has a long bug list worth checking out: http://members.home.net/mrkevvy/buglist.html

 

u know.. there are horses in BG1 and BG2... but u cant ride them.... and there is a place where I think horses can be tied to outside the Copper Coronet... I would really like it if we could have horses... they could be purchased... or tamed from quests.. they could be talking horses like horsey version of the Lilarcor... would be nice u know..

imagine casting Charm Animal on your enemy's horse or the enemy casting Charm Animal on ur horse!!! would make great modifiers for horse archers too and add a new skill to the game.. we can call it.. i dunno.. horseriding.. equestrian..

 

Horses would be cool and I disagree with the contention that they would make play unbalanced. It all depends on the implementation. Ultima 6 allowed you to ride horses (as well as use boats and ships). The horses didn't really affect the game and once I tried it I stopped using them.
What's good? Great story, varied enemies and combat, lot's of NPC interaction, lots of quests, cool gear. Most of all, the gameplay. The game is just fun to play.
That is what makes BG2 so great (and so different from many other games). The story, graphics, sound, etc. are all solid, AND the game is fun to play.
Dislikes? None worth mentioning. Many of the problems with the game have easy work arounds. If you don't like it, dont't do it.

 

It's good to be back (after my ban due to a spelling mistake)!!

Pros:
-Complex plots
-Many quests
-Good range of NPCs
-Many different classes/ kits
-A large game - can't be completed in one sitting by the average gamer
-Good combat system, this game converted me from a turn-based player to a real-time player
-Nice range of spells
-Good learning curve
-Techniacally speaking (graphics and sound) its hard to fault it... although some places are far too dark, its difficult to make things out
-Anomen

Cons:
-Not enough evil options regarding both NPCs and plot alternatives
-Stupid AI at times when reaching destinations
-Having to swap CDs to get around the city.. eg. from Docks to Temple
-Slowness of movement annoyed me alot, I generally cast haste to get from place to place because it takes so long
-The end of the Jan quest is a little to be desired
-The Yoshimo thing, he's the only good thief in the game... I don't like Jan (a useless mage and very low HP)although its great in terms of plot... there should be an alternative
-At times rather linear, especially regarding how to get from chapter to chapter.

Conclusion - this is a great game but it could definitely be improved.

 

Pro's-Good Story going in..., Kits, New Classes, Cool Monsters, Dragons!!!!!!, Class specific quests...

Cons-Story falls apart in middle...although comes back alive at the end, Dual-Class abuse, TOO MANY PROTECTION/PROTECTION REMOVAL SPELLS(PLEASE GET RID OF THESE..PLEASE), XP Cap before mage can reach 18th level, TOO MANY PROTECTION SPELLS(OH SAID THAT ONE ALREADY)

 

I like many things in the game.

I dislike:
Not enough non-good fighters.
Summoned creatures walking in the back of the group instead of up front where the cannon fodder belongs.
There should have been another romance option for female characters (Perhaps Cerrnd or Haer'Dalis?) of the non-knight variety. (Guys get a good, a neutral or an evil romance, women get one romance who is either good or neutral.)
I agree that switching CDs in the main town sucks.
NPC mages shouldn't be able to learn find familiar if they can't cast it.
Scripts for multi-class characters. (Any script I try with Aerie seems to suck)
Get Boo out of the quick-slot.

 

I agree with kasio's last post.

And a few of my own:

1. Useless kits (druids)
2. Equalizer not powerful enough if its history is to be believed
3. Crom Faeyr too powerful if its history is to be believed
4. Very few protections to intelligence drain (mind flayers)

 

I just want to be able to skip the exposition movies and the dream sequences when I replay the game! I want to give some of the other kits a shot, but I can't bring myself to sit through all of the cut scenes again...

 

Save/Reload cheating abilities reduced (cant save during combat) but not enough.
Great Idea: Saving Must Cost GOLD! Several games have implemented this rule (eg Nomad Soul) and this had made gameplay even more exciting.

Not enough hard quests, too much hints. Eh.. miss times of LoL, Larry1...

[This message has been edited by kasio (edited May 11, 2001).]

 

I guess my favourite bits are:

Some of the Magic items (The Holy Avenger kick major Butt! )
The atmosphere in some places.
Some of the spells are great (Though some of them are kinda limited in ability)
DRAGONS, DAMNED HUGE POWERFUL DRAGONS!!!!!
The way you can get your own keeps and stuff.
And some other things which just aint quite good enough to make headline news (E.g. When you beat Irenicus in the spell hold he gets REALLY Peeved )

Bad things for me are probably:

The way Aerie keeps moaning and that after all of your hard work trying to woo her SHE JUST DUMPS YA!!!
Nalia is just totally useless as a thief. And magga cammara(Dark elf trilogy book 2)THERES NO OTHER THIEVES TO USE UNTIL IMOEN GETS BACK, sheesh.
Not enough slack for those of a dark intent, i.e. not enough Evil NPC's to join up and there are barely any true evil sub-quests
There are probably loads more bad points, but I cant remember them.

[This message has been edited by Enthasius (edited May 11, 2001).]

 

Pros
The greatest game ever made.
Cons
AI, AI, AI, can anyone make an adversary with half a brain when they are labeled a supra-genius in the Monster Manual.

 

i like the flavor of baldur's gate 2 and the only part i don't like is that some item types are generally weaker...katana and long sword have better items than that of the short sword or cutlass, but that's just me