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Whats more useful crom or...

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by IronEagle, Nov 21, 2000.

  1. IronEagle Gems: 13/31
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    If you ask me all the stuff for the crom is more usful than the crom its self.. i have my main with 4 things in flail and 5 in katana, minsc with single weapon, two handed weapon, and korgon with axe and long swords, Viconia with it in hammer but her thaco isnt low enough to bother(belt)... the 21 str for the main is good... the dex gauntlets make minsc your basic war machine, and with korgon and his great ability to fight... to make the crom seems less useful to me.. than having 3 fighters with upped abilities... maybe someone can prove me wrong here?
     
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    The Crom Faeyr is WELL worth the sacrifice! The Gauntlets of Dexterity aren't part of it; and I agree Minsc needs them. The Girdle of Frost Giant Strength is part of it, but the holder of Crom Faeyr gets 25 strength, so give it to the person you gave the girdle to if you're worried about that. The Gauntlets of Ogre Power are part of it, but they only give you 18 Strength; the Girdle of Hill Giant Strength is better. The Hammer of Thunderbolts is "only" +3 Crom Faeyr is +5 and kills Stone and Clay Golems and Trolls. So you're really only "losing" the Gauntlets of Ogre Power and gaining quite a bit in return... I would say there's no question...

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    had i invested proficiencies into it... it would be alot more useful but i spent the game using the flail or ages and the +3 katana... had i been preparing for the crom it would be well worth it... ill be attacking with 25 str but my hit status will be like one out of every 10.
     
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    With 25 strength you get +7 to hit and +14 to damage and +5 from Crom Faeyr itself... Give it to Viconia; I bet she'd be a powerhouse!
     
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    A powerhouse with low pain tolerance.. hehe, she could do 50 some damage, but up against the bohdi or Jon she would fall fast.
     
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    Why's that? A cleric can put on any armor and shield can't they? (maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that's true); Jaheira has the lowest armor class in my party because she's the only one that regularly uses a shield, and she's practically invulnerable to missiles... She was the one attacked by Bodhi both times and survived both times in good health without having to heal her in any way...

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    yes, any armour, but check the status of her hit points at level 15
     
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    Heh... Haven't used Viconia, but if they can't hit her, they can't damage her either! :)

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    I use Viconia and in my opinion she is my second best Fighter when equipped well. She has a -14AC and wears the Girdle of Fortitude to 'boost' her HP occasionally. With her AC & Magic Resistance she is FORMIDDABLE in every way. Given the Crom Faeyr as suggested above she would 'roll' through many opponents.

    Also she can heal herself... or drink a potion if need be. Additionally a Cleric can wear any Armor a Fighter can wear.

    Btw- the guantlets of Ogre power just don't give an 18 strength -they give 18/00 Strength. I know a seemingly small increase but for those who know the Pencil/Paper version of AD&D -it's a BIG difference. Viconia rocks, and again IN MY OPINION is the single best NPC in the game DUE to what she can contribute to an ENTIRE PARTY. Like healing spells, party protection spells, upfront fighting with HIGH magic resistance.
     
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    [​IMG] Sorry, you guys are all on the wrong track, 'cause yeah! Crom Faeyr is GREAT, it's awesome. But NOT in the hands of a cleric! It´s because they have only one attack (ever) and lousy THAC0. And what's the strength for anyway? Give it to your fighter to dual wield, maybe with C'Fury and you have an awesome battle-machine, with 2-5 attacks regulary, incredible THAC0, dealing out SURE 28-70 (14 x #attacks) points of damage plus weapons damage plus weapons bonuses. That would do to a "normal" target 100-130 points PER ROUND without any spells or potions. Think of Improved Haste on this guy, 9 attacks wooaahh!
    Fighting normal targets, use Crom Faeyr left-handed (only for the strenght, the weapons damage isn't that great) and a weapon of your choice right-handed. Dealing with golems, giants and such crap, swith C'Faeyr to you right hand (of course you must have good proficiency with hammers or you wouldn't get the attacks and that would spoil your advance) and you have not only one try per round like a cleric, but 2-4 tries to "slay a golem, ettin or troll". With lots of luck you disintegrate maybe 3 golems in ONE round. Against undead take your beloved Mace Of Disruption (again: 2-4 tries per round to splatter a vampire plus lots of damage=Graet fun, easy XP!) or Daystar right-handed and C'Faeyr...you know!
    My fighter has AC -10 dual wielding like that so don't worry about high AC.
    Bu to be honest, that's all theory because I'm still in chapter 2 ;)

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    Hey, I'm with ya brother! My Archer dual wields Crom Faeyr with whatever melee weapon strikes his fancy when in close combat. Right now he prefers Jhor the Bleeder...

    I was merely suggesting Viconia to IronEagle because he didn't seem to want his other fighters to have it due to lack of proficiency...

    BTW what is the non-proficient penalty? -4? That's not so bad considering you get +7 with the 25 strength...
     
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    I'll agree with you guys! I had a fighter dual wielding Crom Fayer and Celestial Fury. By the end of the game and level 19 he had a -8/-8 Thac0 and was able to kill EVERYTHING in his way. With 25 strength he did massive amounts of damage and Celestial Fury stunned opponents about 25% of the time. The only thing that topped that was dual wielding Crom and Black Razor. But that was only possible for 1 battle anyway!
     
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