Who has the best stats?

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Two of the player whom I DM are arguing who got the best, nah the less worst stats...

First

CG 1/2 elven Ranger

Str 12
Dex 15
Con 13
Int 10
Wis 11
Cha 10

This is how I see this char:

Well, this guys is all about average stats in no-combat profile. He isn't very well spoken but he isn't an idiot. He's not careless but he may do harsh (spelling?) thing sometimes. in public he isn't very confortable though. In the combat profile, however he is well beyond of the average. His dex gave him gracious move and good reflex than most other and adventurer. He his healthier than most of the people but not that healthier. His strengh is cleary higher than most of the people, while high enough to most work, it may be a litle low to intense mellee battle.


The second

NG Human Cleric of Pelor

Str 11
Dex 8
Con 12
Int 13
Wis 16
Cha 9

Again this is how I see it

This guy unlike the other is very well educated. His INT is higher than most of the people and he most likely enjoy using a vast vocabulary. His WIS is extremly high, he will not do anything harsh, prepare everything in advance and most likely do wise choice in batle to help the survive of the group. However his cha is kind of low and he isn't confortable in public he isn't the one who like to lead people. With his high INT and WIS but low CHA this guys may have the ¨ Holier than Thou ¨ attitude, and may be arrogant sometimes.
In the other hand his dex is very low, and he move disgraciously have bad reflex and he is not very meticulous. His High CON show a great health and he may not catch simple disease. His STR however is average, while not a true weakness the chaos of Melee isn't his place.

What's your opinion then?

 

Nice characters. They should provide worthy gaming experience. However, the ranger's stats are too low. Ranger class requires 13 STR, 13 DEX, 14 CON and 14 WIS, of which only one is met by the character in question. In all honesty I don't see why ranger WIS requirement should be half again druid's one when he's sort of petty druid in his limited divine casting. However, I suppose that physical requirements are reasonable. Raising STR by one and CON by two shouldn't make him too powerful.

 

only in 2E, in 3E you could have a mage with 5 INT but it would be totaly useless. Their is no such thing about minimum stats requirement in 3E

 

Errm Chevalier. I think it's 3E, not 2E. 3E is much better for this and I think that the cleric have the best stats.

[EDIT]Oops, you beat me to it D_M. [/EDIT]

 

In 3E you distribute 75 points between stats... but OK, as you like it. Shouldn't be very bad

 

Actually they roll they stats, you know 4d6 discard the lower... Cleric eh? why, he got two ¨-X¨

 

But he had better +X.

 

The cleric sucks. How is he supposed to turn undead, negotiate with others etc. with his low CHA?

The ranger is a somewhat nice character. Give him +2 CON, +1 DEX and +1 WIS and he will be much more powerful.

 

Actually, there is no given way to determine stats in 3E. I prefer point buy myself, but, hey, that's just me.

Anyways, it is my opinion that the cleric's stats are adequate. Diplomacy can be bought via points, and there's always Extra Turning. The ranger will have to improve his wisdom to get better Ragner spells. Still, his physical stats are a tad impressive.

My verdict? Reroll for Ranger. A bit too low. 25 point buy (the lowest) can guarantee you a net +5 modifier.

 

I think it depends if you're doing a roleplaying or hack'n'slash campain. Roleplaying the cleric wins and hack'n'slash the ranger wins. If its a good mix, I wouldn't even bother trying to compare them; the cleric excels at the roleplaying part and the ranger excels at the fighting part, so they are realatively equal.

As for determining scores, I like 4d6 drop the low, but if someone get's godly stats (I had a character with his lowest being a 10, every thing else above a 13, including two seventeens) I either bring every body to around his power or I tone him down a bit (I prefer the second because it makes most people happier and doesn't hurt any one's feelings).

 

give one of them high int, then play smart and play smart to survive. Flanking for instance gives +2 to attack which is just about a +4 dex or str mod (except for damage ofcourse).