Alignment

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If you read the PHB many times, than you probably would have seen the part on alignment.

Seems pretty explicit to me.

In my opinion, if you are looking at alignment from the D&D perspective, there is a uniform view defined by whatever game you're playing (BG2 definition of neutral is probably different from ToEE definition of neutral). But then it's really just 2E vs. 3E.

(The definition above was 3E, btw)

[ February 03, 2004, 03:54: Message edited by: Oaz ]

 

Eh, the definition was similar to the 2E one, only the 2E one had a separate entry for each alignment.

Those are very general. They explicitly say that altruism is good and so is respect for life, while killing is evil and so on. But it's not like a really exhausting description.

And neither is:

I don't see CG rangers making promises they're not going to keep. I don't see LE whomever judging those who fall short of their duties, rather some form of tyranny. Surely not a moral drive to fulfill obligations and honour commitments. At least not in many cases.

Not killing and not openly breaking promises makes you LG as much as praying to Ilmater when it hurts makes you Ilmatari

 

How on earth did you guys manage to get into this discussion?

 

cn or g, I am I am!!!

 

True Neutral

 

Okay, you realize that the PHB does have a separate entry for each alignment, right? There is also a separate entry for each alignment in the Wizards.com website.

If 2E description of alignment is like that in BGII, then I would say that the 3E description of alignment has certainly changed (in 3E, neutral characters don't necessarily uphold a balance; chaotic neutral characters don't do random things).

I said explicit. The PHB strictly defines what is good, evil, lawful, and chaotic. If you want an exhausting description, just read more on the PHB, and move onto the BOVD and BoED.

In my opinion, such rangers who kept promises even if they didn't feel like it, or tyrants who didn't judge people who fell short of duties wouldn't be chaotic or lawful (respectively). But for humans, alignment isn't a straightjacket. Interpret that one as you will.

 

Yea, and each alignment is the best one

Word in word the same as in BG2.

 

From their own perspective.

 

It all comes down to perspective, so we may as well drop it and go get drunk

 

CN: I'm a psycho

 

What alignment is doesn't come down to perspective. Alignment is absolute.

What you make of alignment comes down to perspective.

 

CN does not necessarily mean you're a psycho, just that you're an individualist to the max.

 

Chaotic good sounds fun...

 

Oaz, one cannot perceive the absolute. Perception of the absolute comes down to the limitations of the senses. Therefore, the absolute remaining in itself unaffected by our perceptions, affects us independently from our perception, it is still subject to individual, verying and subjective perception. To perceive the absolute in its true form, one needs to be perfect. Not even the DMs are. Not even the Wizards

 

In that case, I say that you're not a decent and moral Lawful Good person.

 

In whose perception of my absolute lawful goodness?

 

Nobody's perfect, so who's to say?

 

*recalls less-than-fondly the days she thought she was chaotic good*

I am proud to say that I am evil. Somewhaat between Lawful/Neutral, although many tests, including Chev's, would name me chaotic evil.

Maybe it's because I have a healthy sense of self-preservation? The only reason I won't to evil stuuff is, horror of horrors, knowledge of retribution.

*sigh*

I am a twerp. But at least I am an evil twerp.

 

I think that most of you who claim to be Chaotic in some sort of way would be dismayed to find that in truth you are very Lawful. True Chaotic people are very rare and typically end up institutionalized, incarcerated or venerated as Pop Stars (that's only if they find a good Manager before the two prior options!)

It does sound cool to consider that you have a Chaotic alignment, athough I think that most genuinely Chaotic people would claim that they are Lawful or Neutral. True Chaos fools everyone...even themselves. Think about it

LN or TN

 

Hacken Slash, is your not claiming good alignment because of religious reasons?