Anomen's a liar!

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What? He doesn't get struck by lightning the moment he holds something sharp and pointy, you know. And Remember. Flails have SPIKES... that accounts for like small little pointy spears poking out - and their god doesn't descend from the heavens and slay them on the spot when they wield one.

 

Sure, Anomen always gets more beaten around than Viconia in my games too. That's because I keep Viconia further back casting spells, so with her high AC, people rarely bother her. Anomen, being a much better fighter, always has front line duty when I have him in my team, so he naturally gets pounded on more.

Personally, I tend to mentally categorize people into front-line combat fighters and behind-the-line missile/casters. At that point Vicky and Anomen aren't even competing for the same spot. Anomen is competing with Jaheira, Keldorn, Valygar, and Minsc; Viconia is competing with Aerie, Cernd, and the mages. It's unfair to expect Viconia to be as good a fighter as the warrior-types; no matter how much you hype her up, she won't be. But she's as good at spell support as anyone, and she's a better backup fighter than any of the other casters.*

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*Oh, except for Haerdalis. I always forget him in these discussions because he defies my neat categorization. (-: But he kicks an amazing amount of butt for a non-warrior; I just need to keep a couple of the beefier warriors in front of him because he's made of tissue paper and the second his stoneskins fail it's "At last... oblivion!" (-:

[This message has been edited by tjekanefir (edited September 13, 2001).]

 

I think Anomen is not only a bad liar, but also a pretty idiotic bastard, that's for sure! I don't like the man! Especially when he attacks Aerie (when she's trying to calm him after his failure). Man, I have ate his heart after this!!!! I love Aerie!

 

Revenge=Aerie in flame.

It is not Anomen's fault - but yours.

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I can't understand why this thread turned into Viccy vs Anomen?
Both of them are kickass. Why don't you try them both in the same party like I did?

 

I see your points Tjekanefir and zantetsuken. With magic resistance and all. And I see why we dissagree, or choose diferently.

I have no second line. I drive the old charge and destroy tactic. (F/M/T, Mazzy, Keldorn, Minsc, Valygar, Anomen). So my battles are up close and personal. Viccy isnt really that fond of this strategy. I loose a 6 spells but not any major casualty. And Evil doesnt fit in that party.


PS: Jon Irenicus loves Airie, I guess Ellisime will be sad to hear that

 

Ellisime is a moron.

In a real fighter-based party where you're expecting everyone to tank, I'd recommend taking both Jaheira and Anomen. Both good fighters, and together they should handle your cleric needs. Viconia and Aerie really aren't up to that kind of role, for the most part.

 

anomen turns undead like you wouldn't believe

viccy just doesn't have quite the same effect

but viccy is the better cleric, and anomen is the better all rounder

 

Bah!
Anomen can't get them on your side pal!

Besides, no way he can turn stronger (high level) undead like Viccy. If you got her experienced, of course.

And one thing more - in my SoA I spotted that Viccy's turn has visual effect on Keldorn!?

 

Really? I know that they're supposed to have added the AD&Dv.3 thing about evil clerics being able to turn paladins in ToB, but I know you don't have that installed nor any patches either, so I'm surprised... I never saw this effect myself, but then I don't usually turn undead for some reason (probably because I usually have the cleric wielding the mace of disruption, come to think).

It would be pretty funny if when Keldorn tried to kill Vicky, she turned him! *laugh*

 

come off it anomen couldnt kill a wyveren at that level on his own. in bg1 my whole party of high level fighters and mages got utterly destroyed at least 5 times in the cloakwood by wyveren

 

A wywern has a thac0 of 13
an AC of 3.
2 attacks per round doing 2d8 points of dmg.
and 7d8+7 HP

An Anomen (unique creature ) has at Level 7
Thac0 13 (strength) perhaps lower if magic weapon
AC of around 0 Vs. piercing (shield, armor)
1 attack with spear, doing minimum 1d6+3 (strenght)
and 7d10+14 HP

If his spear was magic and he had potions against the special attacks of the wywern, I dont see why there isn't a possibility. But he might be bending the truth. But the deed is not impossible.

 

Did he say anything about killing the wyvern alone or that the spear was non-magical?
The lvl 7 Anomen in question may have been assisted by his comrades or, for instance, a staff-spear.
I think it's more unlikely that he, as he claims, slew twenty giants by himself in the same battle.

 

Ahhhh.....the things we debate about....



And the circles we get into...

Anomen's quite a character. But 20 giants by himself, that has to be a tall tale.

 

Taluntain, is that what "Helm's Beer Hat of Merriment and Healing" is for?

 

I think that is a baby wyvern!

 

Anomen is a good fighter, and a bit of bragging is not a crime - I mean, listen to some real life people who play Quake or go fishing - after that killing a wyvern with a spear doesn't look like a big deal... the guy is just talking!

 

bragging and lying are two different things!

 

But he's *not* lying. You're being silly, sorvo. There's no reason Anomen couldn't have killed that wyvern. It's more likely he was embellishing the part about killing all the giants, as someone already pointed out.

 

Still spinning I see.



There's only one way to solve this debate...where's Elhan and his mages when you need them...