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Character help

Discussion in 'Neverwinter Nights (Classic)' started by Enagonios, Aug 21, 2006.

  1. nior Gems: 24/31
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    Doesn't INT also affects XP gained from killing monsters?
     
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    Decados The Chosen One

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    Nope, I'm afraid not (unless this is some little known fact that I've never come across, which I doubt).
     
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    I'm having some problems with the creation of the Arcane Archer. The requirements were:

    Elf or half-elf
    Weapon Focus on Longbow or Shortbow
    Point Blank Range
    Arcane Casting level 1
    BAB +6

    I've done bard 3/fighter 4, sorc 4/fighter 3, wiz 4/fighter 3 and still couldn't get the AA class. BAB had already reached +6, even +7, both required Feats were already taken. And I think I've already achived Arcane Casting level 1 already. But making a bard 4/fighter 4 with Weapon Specialization on longbow does gives me AA. Unforfunately, I've no plan on reaching level 40. So I'd like to have more AA earlier and fewer levels of bard/sorc/wiz/fighter. Any help?
     
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    Decados The Chosen One

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    You aren't gonna save all that many levels 'cause of the BAB +6 requirement.

    The first three examples you gave all had BABs of +5. Remember, arcane classes gain +1 BAB every second level while Fighters are every level.

    IIRC, Arcane Casting level simply means the maximum level of spell you can cast.

    Therefore, how about:

    1 - Fighter (Weapon Focus, Point Blank Shot)
    2 - Fighter (Doesn't matter all that much)
    3 - Fighter (Again, your choice of feat)
    4 - Fighter (Weapon Specialisation)
    5 - Bard (No feat here)
    6 - Bard (Feat selection up to you)

    After this you will have 1 BAB of +6 and can begin to progress in AA levels.
     
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    Be sure and look at BASE attack bonus, not attack bonus. BAB is listed at the very bottom of your character sheet.
     
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    Is the order of level up important? Because my initial example bard 3/fighter 4 was created in this manner...

    1 - Bard
    2 - Bard
    3 - Bard
    4 - Fighter
    5 - Fighter
    6 - Fighter
    7 - Fighter

    ...but no access to AA.
     
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    Decados The Chosen One

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    The order of level up isn't important- I just put them that way so that you'd start off as a fighter, which is a decent base class.

    The problem with what you did was with the Bard levels- as the +1 BAB occurs every second level, you only had a BAB of 5 (in a way, it was kinda 5 and a half). I'll illustrate the point:

    1 - Bard (BAB 0)
    2 - Bard (BAB 1)
    3 - Bard (BAB 1)
    4 - Fighter (BAB 2)
    5 - Fighter (BAB 3)
    6 - Fighter (BAB 4)
    7 - Fighter (BAB 5)

    To maximise your BAB, only take even numbers of arcane-casting classes. If you take an odd number, then you will have gained a level without gaining any BAB bonus.

    Hope this helps you.
     
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    Fighter/bard/AA is IMO the most perfected archer. He does incur 20% experience penalty (who wants to be a half-elf anyway??) along the way, but it can be minimized. Fighter for WS and EWS longbow, bard for superior buffs to that of a wizard/sorcerer. Bard song in one word. Cat's grace and Bull's strenght can both be cast as well. Fighter 5/Bard 6/AA 29 seem the most logical course, but when we take a look at Bard song level, the only difference between lvl3 and lvl6 song is +1 reflex save (which you really dont need) and +1 to skills (not worth much either).
    lvl3 bard doesnt have lvl2 spells though, which is a factor, unless you're in a high magic world where it's relatively easy to get +12 to attributes from items. It also means you're living with XP penalty all but the first few levels.
    Fighter 5/bard 6/ AA 29 it is then :)

    from wikipedia:
    An interesting fact. I wonder if it's still true
     
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    Yes in the SRD it says that an arcane archer needs to be able to cast lv 1 spells but the designers of NWN may not have actually done that. They may have gone with caster level 1 rather than spell casting 1. Someone needs to try it to see for sure.

    On a side note I like my arcane archer to use rouge and bard levels rather than fighter. I love the rouge goodness such as sneak attack and evasion which are both amazing to have. I think I went rouge 8/bard 2/arcane archer 10 and I ended up with 4 attacks per round and a fist full of d6s on my sneak attacks which happened more than I thought. Another aspect is that you can have an amazing amount of skill in tumble and use magic device which are two very strong skills.

    Edit: it also has some fun story potential because as we all know rouges and bards always have the most fun adventuring :) !
     
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    @Decados, thanks for the illustration.
     
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    Decados The Chosen One

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    I just checked the AA requirements, using only a single level of Bard so that I would not be able to cats first level spells. After gaining that one Bard level, I could select AA. Therefore, oyu only need one caster level, rather than the ability to cast first level spells.
     
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