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Condoms

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by toughluck, Apr 26, 2005.

  1. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    Agreed. I hate them. It's better to wait until you're sure your partner is STD-free, and then use some other form of contraception, such as the pill.
     
  2. The Shaman Gems: 28/31
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    Possible - just remember, the pill has its own problems as well. Taking anything that involves hormones has its price.
    And just how effective the pill is for preventing pregnancy is another topic. Their prevention rate is less than 100% either.
     
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    About the pill (slightly off-topic):

    Pharmaceutical estrogens (from the urin of women who use the pill) can cause adverse health effects, like feminization and reproductive problems, in fish and other wildlife.
     
  4. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    @ The Shaman

    AFAIK, there are only two 100% effective ways to avoid pregnancy: abstaining from sex, and sterilization.

    All of the more common forms of contraception, whether we're talking about condoms, the pill, etc., have a prevention rate of somewhere under 100%. The key phrase when you look up prevention rates is whether or not the product was used consistently and properly.

    Condoms, when used properly and consistently, have a success rate of about 94%. Of course, not everyone follows the directions on the package for putting one on, and if you fail to do this, you increase the chance that the condom will break, which is where you get the more common 85% figure.

    The pill is a whole other story. The pill has shown to be greater than 99% effective when taken consistently. That's the problem though - you have to remember to take the pill every single day. Missing just one day can really mess things up if it's during the time between ovulation and menstration. Missing two days in a row during that time frame really reduces the efficacy of the pill. That's why in practice you rarely see 99% efficacy, because not everyone will take it every single day.

    The pill also has some other side effects, such as increased chance of blood clots. When you take the pill, you are at greater risk of having some catastrophic injury or affect, up to and including death than someone not taking the pill, but the risk of this happening is still less than what it is if you are pregnant, so it's considered a negligible risk. I also believe women over 35 are at higher risk than those under that age, but again, complications during pregnancy are also higher for women over 35.
     
  5. Barmy Army

    Barmy Army Simple mind, simple pleasures... Adored Veteran

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    Women are allover the place when they are on the pill. Emotional rollercoasters. Go down that route if you want your chick to be moaning at you for going to the pub one minute and shagging your face off and telling you she loves you the next.

    And johnnies feel crap. I also hate going into a shop and asking for a pack of johnnies, you what what I mean. Maybe it's just me.

    Injection is the best thing I think.
     
  6. joacqin

    joacqin Confused Jerk Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    Injection is the same thing as the pill no? Both are hormones. Women reach differently on hormones, some get really weird mentally and emotionally while others dont notice a thing. There are different kinds as well and different women react differently to different pills.
     
  7. Barmy Army

    Barmy Army Simple mind, simple pleasures... Adored Veteran

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    Don't know mate, I'm just speaking from experience.
     
  8. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    The pill, patch, and the injections are all hormone-based contraceptives. What I don't know is if it is the same amount/type/concentration of hormones in each one. I'm guessing that the levels probably differ slightly, just based on the frequency you take them: pills are daily, patches are weekly, and injections are once per every three months. I will admit that injections are probably the easiest to do, because all you do is go to the doctors once a month, and you're fine. No need to remember anything beyond an appointment four times per year.

    I'm sure some women become emotional rollercoasters on the pill, but certainly every woman reacts to them differently, so for example, my wife is just as crazy now as she was before she went on the pill.
     
  9. Harbourboy

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    Just as an aside, sterilisation is not 100% effective either. My brother in law was born after his parents were supposedly sterilised.
     
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    Who was sterilized, the dad? If so, there are other explanations. I hope I'm not entering dangerous territory here...
     
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    Both are not 100% effective, but if a woman is sterilised, it adds additional problems of its own, meaning that she is at a high risk of ectopic pregnancy if it indeed occurs.
    As for men, sterilisation is not 100% effective either, and even if surgery was perfect and without any complications.
     
  12. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    Please explain. If performed properly, I fail to see how an egg can meet up with a sperm. (I know what an ectopic pregnancy is, but if performed properly, there shouldn't be any way for the sperm to get to the egg.)
     
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    Ofelix The world changes, we do not, what irony!

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    Well I think it's better that they know the risk and consequence of doing so. And giving them the right tools will only prevent unwanted pregnecy and STD. You said it they have done it for millenia, but often a baby came out or a STD. At least now they know what they are doing and know how to avoid complication.

    What do you prefer teens who don't know exactly what they are doing and having high risk of STD and pregnency or teens who know the reality and have ways to avoid most of the risk.

    Of course they are still who have sexual relation unprotected and encounter major risk. But at least a great number of them know of some way to avoid such risk.

    Myself have been 100% satisfied by using condom, and I don't think rubber is a nuisance.
     
  14. Master of Nuhn

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    I'm a 25 years old pathetic loser living in the westerm world and until know that is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD's. ;)
     
  15. chevalier

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    I'm 21. It has always worked for me. I'm waiting for the right woman, which means my future wife (God bless her). No pregnancy and STD problems for me, ever. ;)

    And there are other reasons. Practically everyone who doesn't wait for marriage regrets his or her first time. Especially if it's hers. Relationships aren't stable, you don't know what happens tomorrow. If you don't have sex, you aren't left with regret. The feeling of having been used is reduced. No sex, no oral, no petting, just focus on love and you will be happy. You will eventually find someone who wants you for more than sex. Only introduce sex when the spiritual union is complete and safe and when you are ready to bring up your children. Only then will you have the real safe sex. And no traumas. If you have already done it, you aren't crossed out. You can still change things. Just seek love. When the platonic relationship works so well that you have no reservations about making it permanent, then it's time to seal it, exchange the vows and pass the gift of live to something created of the two of you. No condoms, no pills, no chemical stuff, just you and your eversworn beloved. It's worth waiting.

    [ May 07, 2005, 02:52: Message edited by: chevalier ]
     
  16. Harbourboy

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    Um, where did that information come from? It doesn't apply to me, or to anybody else I know well enough to have discussed this with.
     
  17. chevalier

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    It applies to practically everyone with whom I have discussed it or whom I have heard reflecting on it, save a couple of people who have the philosophy of never regretting anything, those who ended up married with the first partner and few others. Sooner or later, the regret comes.
     
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    Sorry Chev, you seem to hang out with a different crowd than me. I don't regret my first time (or my second, third, etc.) and it wasn't with my wife. She doesn't regeret her first time and it wasn't with me. Not that you're interested, but we're doing pretty well in our sex life and it gets better every year. That doesn't mean it was ever bad (I actually cannot recall any bad sex).

    However, as I am not religious, that lack may explain my lack of regret as well. (Total off-topic aside -- my observation is that the greater the religious belief, the greater the guilt.) Anyway, different strokes for different folks (sorry for the bad pun).


    Edit - as for the topic, I used condoms every time in relationships until such time as there was sufficient knowledge of a clean bill of health on both sides to allow for a different type of birth control.

    As to Rally's comment below, they weren't particularly bad and they sure did allow for longer duration. There are other ways as well, but then we'd be venturing off-topic again, into TMI, and probably out our rated PG-13 milieu.

    [ May 07, 2005, 04:36: Message edited by: dmc ]
     
  19. Rallymama Gems: 31/31
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    At the risk of TMI, here's a little something for all you guys who profess to hate condoms to think about...

    They can do a lot to improve the experience for your partner, through both extended duration and enhanced textures.

    Is a condom such a terrible thing to put up with in exchange for your partner's appreciation?
     
  20. Chandos the Red

    Chandos the Red This Wheel's on Fire

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    ...And probably later...much later.
     
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