Drow Class

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I had to reread your comment a few times, thats why I had replied the way I did as a joke and not being serious.

 

Oh well... seems I have made quite the hide-bound nit-picking detail-loving bookworm of myself, have I
Sure, alignments are open to some interpretation (and besides, imo it should be natural to take some steps not 100% decided by alignment - none of us is perfect), but I do consider a drow paladin a bit less likely. Possible, but probably it would be the DM teaching us a lesson at tolerance for glamour day or some such . The ranger class seems a bit more open now the alignment restriction is taken out, isn't it? In addition to that, a drow who survives a while in the Underdark might just get tough enough to survive elsewhere as well with little extra training. Speaking of which, theoretically, does the Underdark have its own rangers?

Besides, I think full plate is a bit too heavy for elves. Chain or leather fits them better ...

 

I was reading the Plot and Poison book, and there was a ranger-like class, just cant think of the name of it. There were also clerical classes to some of the deities, and there was a beast-master-like class called a Creature Cultist, or a Vermin Outrider... and then tehre was the Deep Singer, wich is basically a drow bard.

So the elves cant make full-plate armour that is suited to them huh? I think thats rather ridiculous...

 

The Drows in SoA has full-plated armours afair.

 

I agree with DreamingxAshley on the whole alignment issue. Very few real people fit into one of the D&D alignments for any more than a small portion of their lives, and it doesn't take a drastic event for them to slide a little, or a lot. As for the Drow Paladin, yeah, its as likely as a Drow Ranger, but it would have to have one hell of a background story. Drizzt's story is awesome and you would have to come at least close to that to be plausable.

 

I like the idea of a drow charcter and being able to choose alignments for them is good also.

Now to Paladins for 30 years i've been having the same arguments about Paladins, the alignment restrictions within the class are imo wrong.

The paladin as a class is the champion of a god so why are they only LG not all the gods Lolth herself should be able to have a Paladin as a champion they are chosen to do a particular function. Obtain an artefact for their church, remove a powerful source of good (eg Strong leader for good or neutrality) or evil (eg powerful demon/devil) from their territory. Their lifespan as a paldin would be short but glorious to inspire those after them.

I have always felt that paladins unbalanced the game forcing/pushing the morality towards good whether you wanted to go there or not.

I won't play a paladin and all the campaigns I've DM'ed the class does not exist as PC but does as an NPC for any alignment usually to hire the PC party to aid them in some cause.

I stress this only my opinion but a strong one.

 

I totally agree with Strider. Its just idiotic, and I wont reiterate what was said.

People just think paladin = holy warrior, and think holy = goodness... so whos to say that the Drow dont consider Lloth holy, or their clerical warriors holy?

Its just another one of those arbitrary things that got tossed in the rules without thinking it through properly.

 

In short the "paladin" is set to be the equalent of a "holy knight" from the middle ages type, a knight of the church, thats why it has been tied to the Lawfull good alignment. He isnt exactlly a "divie servant" as put, but a represenation of a knight for the people, the typical hero of the old legends, one that all the poor people automatically knows is a hero.

There are other classes that is aimed towards the "divine servant" type, first of all comes the Cleric, also a bunch of the prestige classes and so on. OF corse n a P&P there is nothing wrong with making an altered sort of special divine class, foreample make a similar to paladin class, but forexample worshipping Lloth and chaotic evil etc. But it would not be Paladin.

also i belive this summarise my viewon Drow in general: http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=44

 

If thats what they wanted for Paladin, then they should have just called it a Knight, then everyone would know that the person was a do-gooder... everyone associates knight, with chivalry, and shining armour, and damsel in distress and stuff like that.

What do we have to associate Paladin with? To my knowledge, absolutely nothing outside of the RPG world. Im sure there might be *something* out there, but I worked from 3pm til about 12.45am... so Im tired...

This is the type of stuff I mean when I say arbitrary without much thought.

It would be a Paladin, because a Paladin is a hero knight for the people, according to hackneyed D&D logic, and what would a Drow Paladin of Lloth be? A hero for the (drow) people.

Well a cleric, is by definition a servant of the divine... its just another name for priestess/priest.

 

A drow may aspire towards the Pious Templar or Divine Crusader PrCs from complete divine or a Lloth-inspired blackguard. The templar PrC is somewhat related to the paladin , but is more closely tied to a particular deity and fulfills a very strictly-set function: defense of a holy site. The Divine crusader is another take on the idea, embodying an aspect of the deity and having access to spells of one of the deity's domains as he or she travels and spreads the good (or bad) word, similarly to a cleric.

Both may serve similar role to a paladin in drow society, but are also markedly different. A paladin need not serve any deity in particular, s/he may just have a connection to the "holy", say serve some good overmind, the lord of the seven heavens of Celestia, etc. I suppose the idea behind it was to create an idealized knight class of sorts, although a lot of time passed and a lot of changes occured in the D&D class system.

Alternatively, look at Unearthed Arcana, paladin variants. Heck, the paladin of slaughter is a drow.

[ August 01, 2006, 18:32: Message edited by: The Shaman ]

 

Wow, September 10, 2005 to August 1 2006 without even flinching!

I oppose the idea of imposing class/alignment restrictions based on race. Every rule has an exception, and a player should be able to be that exception if they so desire. A lawful good drow paladin is someone who utterly detests the beliefs and practices of most other drow, and is instead committed upholding the law, protecting the innocent, and showing the world that virtue and wickedness are components of an individual's personal values and integrity (or lack thereof), and not a forgone conclusion of one's bloodline.

 

I agree wholeheartedly Marceror!!!