Dual Classing Options and Levels

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Did you test if all those dual class options are valid?

[ August 24, 2002, 15:30: Message edited by: StressedE ]

 

Aren't all dual-class options supposedly valid (except for classes that can't be dualled?). IIRC, only multi-class has limits on it.

 

Stressed.

I am currently experimenting and trying them out. If there are major boo boos then I'll let everyone know. Some of course are just plain silly, eg. Wizardslayer Mage who can't use any magical items.

Others may be invalid, but when I find out, I'll say so. I'm just having fun here. I admit that I stuffed up about the Druids. (I've even tried dual classing pure druids before and I forgot! Doh. Sorry).

Did some checks just before.

Fighters and all three kits can dual to Cleric, Druid, Mage or Thief. Just check alignment for Druid.

Clerics and all three kits can dual to Fighter, Mage and Thief, except Priest of Lathander which can dual to Ranger as well, due to being Good aligned.

Rangers and the only kit, Beastmaster, can dual to Cleric. I'm not sure why Stalker and Archer cannot dual class, but it must have something to do with files. I made an ubercharacter to test, so I'm fairly sure it is not alignment clashes or ability score problems. Any ideas Extremist?

Thieves and all three kits can dual class to Fighter, Cleric or Mage.

All specialist mages can dual class to Fighter, Thief or Cleric.

This pretty much exhausts all options, not that all of them would be sensible.

[ August 25, 2002, 05:47: Message edited by: Khazraj ]

 

You could dual a kensai to thief? I needed sk to do that...
Maybe I didn't have the right stats...

 

Yes you can, but the character I used was a hack, as I said. So the game must check stats out. When I first tried to dual Kensai to Druid I had the alignment correct and wisdom and charisma of 18. It would not let me do it. So I was shocked. I changed the intelligence to 18 also and then it allowed it. I don't know which checks are going on here. Still it is valid, whereas a Stalker Cleric is not.

 

Ah, Khazraj!

People are all so hasty those days....

Looks like you will need to put the info on druids back in the table and re-send it to Tal again.

Because druids CAN dual-class, and I've tested it just yesterday. I have made a following character:

Totemic Druid lvl 15 dual to Fighter.

You just have to get the ability scores right, and use the appropriate weapons afterwards.

[ August 25, 2002, 13:46: Message edited by: Modjahed ]

 

To put it bluntly: It's not sensible to dual class in ToB!
Multi-class is so much better which is quite the opposite to how it was/is in BG2:SoA.

 

Modjahed.

You make me kick myself! How did you go with the stats? I tried only a regular Druid and Avenger.

When I first tried the Kensai Druid it failed on me, so it must have been stats problems.

Help! I need to check if I still have the older version! I probably deleted it.

Thanks for the check though! I could've sworn that.....

 

I'm gonna make a guide to dual classing because there are so many questions about it.
I've tried all allowed kit combinations.

Here's a summary:
(from) -> (to)

fighter(any kit) -> Cleric V Mage V Thief V Druid
Ranger(pure or beastmaster) -> Cleric
Cleric(any kit) -> Fighter V Mage V Thief
Druid(any kit) -> Fighter
Mage(any kit) -> Fighter V Cleric V Thief
Thief(any kit) -> Fighter V Cleric V Mage

for any other possibility you will need SK

On a side note Avengers CAN DC to fighter if you can give them a +1 STR upgrade,

If you know something I don't then please inform me

[ August 27, 2002, 21:15: Message edited by: StressedE ]

 

@Khazraj:

Druids have TWO major stats instead of one: wisdom and charisma. So to dual to druid from a fighter you have to have 17 in WIS, CHA and 15 in STR, and from fighter to druid 15 CHA, WIS and 17 STR.

In both cases you need to be of True Neutral alignment.

@StressedE:

Clerics (Lathander or pure good-aligned) can dual to Ranger.

 

You are indeed correct Modjahed

 

Remember, Jaheira is a Fighter/Druid after all

Is it possible to dual-class to or from a Paladin?

 

Paladins can't dual class.

 

Modjahed.

I had stuffed up on the Strength part. The druid character I first used only had 16. I wrongly assumed that the game would allow the player to enter the dual classing menus and simply not allow the dual class switch. That's what I remember BG1 doing. Oh well. I resent the fixed file to SP.

On this note of dual classing.

Let's start with a character that get to level 9 in the first class and needs to get to level 10 in the next to regain skills.

Fighter to Thief needs 250 000 + 160 000 = 410 000xp.
Fighter to Cleric needs 250 000 + 450 000 = 700 000xp.
Fighter to Mage needs 250 000 + 250 000 = 500 000xp.
Fighter to Druid needs 250 000 + 125 000 = 375 000xp.

Ranger to Cleric needs 300 000 + 450 000 = 750 000xp.

Cleric to Fighter needs 225 000 + 500 000 = 725 000xp.
Cleric to Thief needs 225 000 + 160 000 = 385 000xp.
Cleric to Mage needs 225 000 + 250 000 = 475 000xp.
Cleric to Ranger needs 225 000 + 600 000 = 825 000xp.

Druid to Fighter needs 90 000 + 500 000 = 590 000xp.

Thief to Fighter needs 110 000 + 500 000 = 610 000xp.
Thief to Cleric needs 110 000 + 450 000 = 560 000xp.
Thief to Mage needs 110 000 + 250 000 = 360 000xp.

Mage to Fighter needs 135 000 + 500 000 = 635 000xp.
Mage to Cleric needs 135 000 + 450 000 = 585 000xp.
Mage to Thief needs 135 000 + 160 000 = 295 000xp.

It is easy to note that some combinations are easier than others as far as xp is concerned. What I found "cute" was that A druid dual classing to fighter takes longer than a fighter dual classing to druid, despite level 9 druids having the lowest required xp of any class!

If collecting xp is going to be a problem then as a quick guide it gives a rough idea of how long it will take to regain first class skills. (very, very rough in fact.)

Happy experimenting.