Election 2004 - Live Coverage

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Oh well. And here I was - hoping against hope. After all that the man has done.
Those who meant well for the US wanted Kerry. Your foes wished for Bush... like them islamists.
There is a lesson here.

Enjoy, US of A.

To be a bit more lighthearted: The Europeans will have a far more easier time to deny Bush any kind of serious support for hopeless Iraq.


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Well done George Bush. I wouldn't want your job.

 

Actually, now we have one more reason to deny any kind of support to the iraq war. Just think how much money we have to spend for the mass wave of american refugees who will flee to Europe because of Bush. I bet that Chandos is already in the airport waiting for the first flight.

 

i still say he cheated, he managed to cheat and swindle his way into office four years ago, now that he's president he had way more ability and power to change a vote in his favour and rule out voters which may vote against him.

 

Wow just beacause someone supports someone you dont like it makes them stupid.That's great logic.
This was a huge turnout of voters and they went with Bush.I would have preffered Kerry but I can accept the fact that he lost.
I think Bush just did a better job of defining Kerry than Kerry's own campaign did.It's tough to win when people back you just because they don't like the other guy.

 

I think it's much harder to depose an incumbent, no matter what kind of idiot he is. I'm not surprised at the outcome....saddened, but not surprised.

 

I really thought about starting a new thread telling Leftists to keep their chin up, as it is only 4 years, and that after Bush screws up everything that Kerry says he will , Hillary will be a lock for 2008, but I decided that it wasn't worth it.

On to serving the crow:

If any US citizens want to move to Europe, don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. I will be happy to see you go, as it will be easier to keep this country away from socialism.

For those of you from the rest of the world, stop accusing Americans of being stupid. It is our country and we made our decision based on what we believe is best for us, not what is best for you. I don't accuse the French of being stupid for Chirac, and I don't call Spaniards stupid for allowing terrorist attacks to decide their elections. If you don't like our decision, get your governments to do something that makes our decision as to what is better for us different next time (if you can )

The majority of us agonized over this decision, and while we might not really be behind Bush, the fact is that this election was a minor disaster for the Democratic Party, demonstrating that America still values individual achievement and self reliance over the "its not my fault" and "I need the gov't to take care of me" mentality. I still have hope for the Democrats, but if the Democratic Party continues to depend on Al Franken and Michael Moore establish their agenda, they will unable earn the votes of the majority of Americans.

Not only did Bush take over 270 Electorates (the only contest that counts), he also received over 3 million more votes than Kerry. No more whining about Supreme Court Justices appointing him, or the even more banal whine of the left, that he didn't get the majority of the popular vote.

Hope that crow tasted good!

Don't worry though, as you all have systematically chased off all but a couple of moderate/conservatives who used to post here, you won't have to eat it too many more times.

 

America is the biggest power in the world and what it does affects every other country. The above approach should only apply if a country has no major effect on the rest of the world. America has allowed and encouraged itself to become this influential. It should have a duty to the rest of the world.

Still, four years isn't such a long time

 

Well, you say it isn't, but look at how badly things went in this four years. This time, he isn't even trying to get re-elected.

And yes, we do have to pay attention to what other countries think of us. Right now we aren't winning their "hearts and minds".

 

Sorry Kurtz, but that is BS, we have no more responsibility to be a good citizen nation of the world than any other nation. If something that we do has no direct and hostile effect on another nation, we have no responsibility, ie, America has no responsibility to sacrifice any more than any other nation, regardless of our size. If we choose to provide charity, that is a good thing, but it is not our "responsibility". Just like any good household, you take care of your own before you worry about helping others.

 

Well I'm happy and releived about this election.

It is interesting to note that Bush didn't just win the election, he also won over 50% of the popular vote. The first time that has happened in a presidential election since 1988(yep that's right)!

Best of all it wasn't nearly as close of an election as 2000.

 

Go Bush!

Thou hast smitten the Flip-Floper, and therefore proven to the world that you kick ass!

It kind of makes me sad though...now I can't buy the "Don't blame me, I voted for Bush" bumper sticker.

If I ever met good ol' Bushy, I'd buy him a

 

OK, now hang on here. It's not America that has allowed it, it's the rest of the world that has done so. The U.S. has become powerful for a number reasons - economic, military, etc. Economically, it wouldn't have got to where it is without the rest of us buying into what it offers. Militarily, without the underlying economics, there would be no strength here.

While I agree that the U.S. should consider the impact its actions have on the rest of the world, the same goes for every other nation on the planet. But ultimately, a country's responsibility is to itself and its citizens; other countries might be entitled to go along for the ride, but they will always take a backseat.

Edit: I see Darkwolf posted basically the same thing as my last paragragh while I was typing.

 

Oh well. I'm rested now and I don't care anymore who won.

Just be sure to vote for Clinton next time. Ms Clinton to be exact.

 

Welcome back Darkwolf

What would you say for an exchange? You will send to us your socialists like Chomsky or Sharanton and we will send to you our religious right like Buttiglione, Berlusconi or the archbishop of Greece and we'll be all satisfied.

 

Tal,

The only responce I can provide to your post is to state that I cannot respond without violation of rules, specifically that rule in regard to the discussion of Mods and Admin rulings.

[Well, by all means, do it in PM then.] -Tal

Already did in the past. -DW

BOC,

Thanks anyway, were have too many already. I am not really all that fond of the "religious right", I am more of a hard core economic right wing nut case, I just feel that I would rather deal with the religous right than the economic left.

 

Well, I guess we have the next four years to watch and see. I've said it before: I really hope I'm wrong about this, because otherwise things won't get any better for the USA.

@ Kurtz: Not 100% with you, but not against you either. If the US wants to hold itself up as a moral beacon to the rest of the world, it needs to lead by example. Ergo, before you remove the stick from our eyes, you must first remove the log from your own. Of course the US administration should act on US interests; that is unquestionable. When those actions and interests intersect with those of other countries, the current approach of unilateralism (or as I've heard it called, "multilateralism, American-style") is untenable. That is the responsibility of the US to the rest of the world.

@ Jack Funk: I'm glad you noted that you voted "not without misgivings" and studied up on your candidates - I must confess I've never put that much effort into my voting. As I've already said, maybe I've been a bit harsh in my outburst, but if you're willing to place abortion above the state of the economy or international relations, then I humbly submit that you have not critically assessed the implications of these issues. Then again, what we each value will differ - I happen to feel that other issues are much more important, but that's just me.

@ Darkwolf: Mmm, that's good crow (most of it)... We all have to accept/embrace the fact that Bush has won (depending on our political affiliations), but that doesn't mean I have to like it. For what it's worth, I'm disgusted by my own country's recent election as well, so at least I'm consistent and an equal-opportunity denigrator.

I'm sorry that you feel you can't post your opinions or that non-Leftists have been chased off the Alley. Unfortunately, we seem to be diametrically opposed on Bush, and both of us have to accept it - sorry about my last posts being so aggressive, maybe I should have toned it down.

 

If you are an economic right wing nut case, stay away from Bush. Support people like Badnarik. If you haven't noticed, Bush is not conservative economically, and is not interested in balancing the budget. Mind you , we have a massive deficit that speaks for itself.

BTW:Has anyone heard anything about those electronic voting machines going awry?