Fullerton Police Scandal

easily done with a struggling opponent, he was struggling so violently that officers needed to repeatedly taser him, its easy for people who have never dealt with this situation to criticise.

in my work example earlier, he could have easily broken his neck

 

I agree. It would seem that since murder is deliberate and in no way involuntary, the two are mutually exclusive.

I tend to agree with this as well. I know many police officers personally. None of them have ever killed anyone they were trying to restrain.

Hell, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people working for law enforcement or security services around the country. If it were easy to inadvertently kill someone, we'd hear about it a lot for frequently that we do (which is almost never).

Gaear,

I going with the supposition that your are incredibly naive if you think that being a member of law enforcement doesn't give you certain legal benefits. There's a reason I know of no police officer ever getting a speeding ticket, and it's not because they all drive the speed limit. It's a brotherhood - even among people you don't work directly with. And if you happen to know any police officers, just ask them. They are given every benefit of the doubt that Joe Schmoe isn't.

 

lol, Where did I say that? I'm pretty sure I said I would buy the notion that preferential treatment can exist (though in my experience and the experience of the active and retired police officers I work with daily, not in the case of murders - except in the most corrupt of departments, and in those, mainly in the late sixties, seventies, and early eighties), and that the possibility even exists that it could have played a role in this case ... which in no way is itself evidence that the four uncharged cops in Fullerton are guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Getting a pass on a speeding ticket is worlds away from getting a pass on murder. btw, I do know cops who get the ocassional ticket (much to their chagrin), and I know a couple who've been arrested and charged with drunk driving. The old days are gone, gone, gone. The main reasons for this are in-car cameras and instant 'wired in' status. e.g., if a cop pulls somebody over and runs their plate through the LEIN before they do anything else (which is what they always do on a regular stop), that LEIN activity is then recorded. If you've got somebody with a warrant, you are no longer at liberty to do anything but arrest them, and if you do let them go, you're butt will be called on the carpet in short order. Likewise with cameras and drunks. Speeding tickets are easier because you can always just say you issued a warning, as long as the driver has no other wants or warrants and not a lot of points.

Aldeth, how many cops do you know, and how well do you know them? Well enough for them to actually share anything meaningful with you? Cops are generally very sensitive about 'outsiders,' so I'm curious about the nature of your knowledge. If they're something less than very very good friends, or relatives, they're likely not telling you anything that hasn't been filtered for public consumption.

 

threatening an assailant is a tactic used in an effort to subdue them, our CCTV cameras are miked and you will routinely hear our security staff telling people if they dont stop resisting we will break their arm, or even close the doors, beat the $h!t out of them and then throw them into the street... it works. Only last night some new college boy got fresh with me, told me he was going to come back and stab me, so I told him I'd break both his arms to prevent that, he soon stopped struggling.

lots of people are injured struggling with police/security the more they struggle the more they get hurt, some have died, as in the manslaughter case mentioned above.

 

Well, I know several police officers, but the only ones that are likely to meet the bar you have set, are my next door neighbor of the past 10 years, and my best friend who I've known since I was in grade school. Both are state troopers. The neighbor is obviously local, and my best friend is a trooper in South Carolina.

 

Thanks. Do they discuss significant police matters with you in-depth? I have a brother who I am close with who is a police officer but we never discuss that kind of stuff ... the unwritten rule is generally "don't go there" beyond the mundane. (Besides, most cops consider cop stuff to be boring and tedious and don't want to discuss it anymore than factory workers want to discuss factory work. )

 

Well, it's not like we discuss it daily or anything, but when you've known your neighbor for 10 years, and your best friend for 30 years (not that he's been a cop for 30 years - like I said we've known each other since we were kids), then these things come up from time to time.

Admittedly, most of the other police officers I know are through my contacts with these two. At cookouts and such over the summer, you meet the other guys on the force, and my best friend's father was also an officer (local police in PA) so I knew him and a lot of his friends as well. It's actually my friend's father who loved to tell stories of what he did - but in hindsight he was probably playing it up for us as children.