How to get 18 in stats & tomes?

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True, they don't *need* int but how do you a roleplay a character, esp. a paladin, when he isn't smart enough to read his holy texts? I can see a berserker or a barbarian having an int less than 5 but not a paladin.


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Storm - the word you are looking for is moot not mute

[This message has been edited by Magnus_G (edited September 23, 2001).]

 

IMO the point is mute

 

If your playing pnp it would be a different story but this is a crpg Int is only good for spells and lore!

 

Yes it might very well "only" be a "C"rpg, But i tend to roleplay my chars as well and i cant do anything with 5 int... I agree with Crawl i dont want to sit around rolling for hours, then id rather just "cheat" myself to balanced stats. As a rule of thumb nothing below 10, preferably 12-13'ish
But suit yourself, thats just how i play

(and please, AKRoster, write "you" instead of "u" and "your" instead of "ur", it isnt that much more work and it is more pleasing for others to read, thanks)

 

I have sat for a few minutes and rolled stats, but the only time i've spent some time over it was when i first got the game. These days most of my BG characters are based on RPG characters i've used or have made up to use. Hence their stats are edited.
There was that one time when i decided to find out how easy the game could be, everyone on max HP's and all 25's for stats. I didn't bother going past the mines as it was starting to send me to sleep.

 

I never roll more than 10 times... It doesn't really make that much of a difference if you get 15 or 16 in a stat, and besides, that's pretty much the way Bioware made the game... So, playing bg1 is much more callenging, ie fun, that way, than just powergaming, but yeah, powergaming has been discussed before here. Each to his own.

 

Well the discussion started with Intelligence. For that I agree that an intelligence of 5 is indeed low. You can say that this is just a Crpg but just try to roleplay some more in the game. You could better choose for all stats a little bit lower and then Intelligence on 9 or 10, that is at least average. You even could choose for a lower Dex (do Paladins need a high Dex) and you always could use Gauntlets of Dexterity. You have to learn that it is also cool to have some bad sides, there you can roleplay with. When you'd play D&D you would already be very lucky when you got one 18. Of course I think the main character in the game should be rather good, you are expected to be a hero of the sword coast. But at the other side, have you ever seen a very dumb hero with an intelligence that is far under average. Ok, just take one minut time. Imagine a paladin with a very low intelligence....... no 1 minut 1 said........

Ok, I think you got the point Maybe your Paladin don't need a better intelligence for his spells etc, but you need it for the pictures you have now of him.. in your fantasy.

 

You are all to too right about the low Intelligence score. By the rule a thinking being must have an Intelligence score of at least 3 or you are considered an animal but by that point you are getting below that or an extremly dumb oger (average intelligence 6) so at 5 you would be at the stage of "Me (instert name), you die!" Not a good thing if you are a well known adventurer. But I will admit I play as a fighter and my intelligence score is regularly below 5.

 

Glad that you understand me unless your llow intelligence (;0, ah now I'm mixing up real life and BG-life) The problem is that many people think: I'll just take a low intelligence for it's ust a Computer RPG and the only one who recognizes the problem is me.

 

I have an inqusitor(a paladin kit) in BG2, exported. his ORGINAL stats are : 18/00, 18, 18, 9, 9, 18.
even if his WIS is low, it doesn't affect his number of spells at all

 

If I were to to try add descriptions to the INT stats, they would probably be something like this:

1-3 Moronic.....Can survive, find and feed self, cannot multiply but probably can add numbers up to 10, can carry on a normal social conversation, but not on complex subjects,(like war, politics, religios theory), needs lots of supervision at jobs because of inability ot maintain concentration or relate own experience to current situation, might not always select the "correct" door to leave a room, probably signs name with an 'X'
4-5 Retarded.....Can more than survive in average social situation, can work in manual labor type jobs under supervision (ex., could work as a bakers assistant if told what to do, can do ditch-digger type labor, probably cannot be a cashier), can learn new things but has trouble remembering or applying lessons in one or more "normal areas (math, reading, speech, etc.), would have significant trouble solving a difficult maze/puzzle, probably can write own name but that's it
6-8 Slow.....Can be taught most socially required skills with 1-on-1 attention, may have trouble in one or more areas (math, speech, reading, etc.) but less than 3-5 group, can make simple change, can write a misspelled letter, probably needs periodic retraining on certain tasks and skills just to maintain them, has a shorter than average attention span, may be socially inept/inappropriate

9-12....Average (educatable through high school to bachelor's degrees)
13-15...Smart (advanced university level smarts - generally can be society's doctors, lawyers and other professionally educated individuals)
16......Really Smart (PhD level intellect)
17......Near Genius
18......Genius
19......Top 1% in the world intellectually
20......Top 25% of the top 1%
21......Top 10% of the top 1%
22......Top 5% of the top 1%
23......Top 2% of th etop 1%
24......Top 1% of the top 1%
25 Maybe 1 out of 1,000,000,000 in the world

And remember that two different people with the same INT stats can still have knowledge, skills, abilities and aptitudes in different areas. Just think of identical twins - one a policeman and one a fireman.


[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited October 05, 2001).]

 

why are u all wound up with the int thing int doesnt effect them at all in the game only in ur mind besides the character doesnt play him self so forget about his int # and remeber that ur the one controlling everything he says and does ur the char. INT

but if ur really that insecure about it just use shadow keeper to raise it, its not cheating because your char. wont gain anything from it


sorry but thats just how i feel.

 

Well, it is true that in BG there is little or no effect for Int on a fighter, having a terrible Int like that is utterly disastrous if you intend to transfer your character to SoA and/or ToB. Int and Wis definitely matter to all characters. Ultimately, it all comes down to whether you think the "RPG" part of the game matters at all. You can play BG like Diablo if you want, but it seems kind of pointless to me. YMMV.

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[Thanks for pointing it out, heh. This is what happens when you say you'll fix the headline later but then forget all about it. I've fixed the guy's headline now. As for his lame l33t spelling... I think we told him off a couple of times but he seems slow on the uptake.] -Tal

[This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited October 07, 2001).]