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It's official: California Governor Schwarzenegger

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Blackhawk, Nov 17, 2003.

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    the american is going from nothing to something great. Hard work is the guarantee but not requirement.

    I see Arnold as a living example of the American Dream as well.
     
    Lokken, Nov 19, 2003
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    Umm, my definition of a loophole must be different than yours. In my dictionary (Worldnet here), Loophole is defined as "an ambiguity (especially one in the text of a law or contract) that makes it possible to evade a difficulty or obligation."

    Here, the text of the recall section is not ambiguous and it provides for exactly what happened. I know that you don't like the constitution here, but it's not a loophole. It's not ambiguous and it was followed to the letter.

    We can obviously debate how well drafted the provision is and whether it should be there. It's not, however, a loophole.
     
    dmc, Nov 19, 2003
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    @inquisitor
    If it is so obvious that he is a sexually dangerous man with no abilities to lead a state other than beeing a celebrity, then how many people did you convince to not vote for him?

    Anyway
    If the worst the opposition can come up with, in the usual mudthrowing, is that Arnold talked dirty to 16 women and touched them (which might both be part of a flirt and they may have done so willingly), then Arnold is a saint. Is it you or I who is naive? I am not even denying he didn't do it, just that the women could easily be just as "guilty". Heck, I am not even making any conclusive statements, just trying to give some other versions...

    If Arnold hadn't admitted to this, there would be a trive out of it too, and it would have taken much more of his time, and you would have been all over him too, for clouding his past and not spending time to aid California.

    [ November 19, 2003, 21:30: Message edited by: Nobleman ]
     
    Nobleman, Nov 19, 2003
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    Heh, I didn't get around to replying in this topic again until now, but others pretty much explained my vision of the American Dream to InquisitorX, so I won't reiterate on that point.

    InquisitorX seems to be stuck in a loop, chanting the mantra that Arnold was only elected because he's an actor, and that he didn't work hard in his life. Both points have no valid basis whatsoever apart from his own personal opinion, so they're really pointless in trying to prove his right over anyone else's. I stopped wasting my time arguing with Stone Deaf cases a long time ago, so I'll only observe this one to see that none of the AoDA rules are broken in the discussion.
     
    Taluntain, Nov 19, 2003
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    [​IMG] Schwarzenegger would not have done as well as he did, if Bustemante (the leading Democratic candidate) hadn't shot himself in the foot by strongly and self-rightously supporting SB 60.

    SB 60 was a law passed that gave driver licenses to illegal immigrants! Much of Schwarzeneggar's success was due to the #1. Shake up Sacramento supporters and #2. those disgusted with SB 60 - which is nearly 90 percent of Californians.
     
    Blackhawk, Nov 19, 2003
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    This guys crazy! Not taking a salary?!?! That takes real guts.
     
    reepnorp, Nov 19, 2003
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    I never said that. I said he didn't work hard to become governor. He *did* work hard to become a world-class bodybuilder. I'm glad we got that straightened out.

    And its not my "personal opinion" he got elected because he is an actor. That is an indisputable fact.

    If you or I had the EXACT same platform as Arnold how many votes would we have gotten? Yep.
     
    InquisitorX, Dec 8, 2003
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    [​IMG] I have to agree, in part, with InquisitorX. The fact that Schwarzenegger was an actor and in the public eye, did help considerably for his victory.

    I watched the polls in the months preceeding the election and Schwarzenegger was actually losing to Cruz Bustemante. Only after Bustemante's dreadful performance in the Sacramento Debate, did Schwarzenegger pull head.

    All in all, both Tal and InquisitorX are right. Many factors did help. If Schwarzenegger wasn't a famous actor, he would performed rather poorly. If there was a opponant that the voters could have supported, he would have had better competition. And lastly, if California's didn't want a overhaul of Sac, he would have done poorly.

    However you look at it, we're doomed! :mommy: :)
     
    Blackhawk, Dec 8, 2003
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