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Kill everyone!

Discussion in 'Icewind Dale 2' started by sarevok66, Aug 12, 2009.

  1. Caradhras

    Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Veteran

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    No Targos won't be hostile (you'll get nasty comments from them but you can shrug them off). You lose goodies (the item Silvery mentioned) and XP though (if soloing it is a pity since non kill dependent XP can be gained whatever your level is).

    That being said if you're on a rampage killing her makes a lot more sense than leaving her to stuck around.
     
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    all right, thanks a lot.
     
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    Silvery I won't pretend to be your friend coz I'm just not ★ SPS Account Holder Adored Veteran

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    Nope. I think the only one this early is shaengarne (sp?).
     
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    i found the priest under targos' large tent, but he sells resurrection service more than 2000 gp !!

    anyway damn this game, it's one tough battle after another, i'm already getting tired of it :bad:
     
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    It's not that tough at the point you're at! Don't wuss out :p
     
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    Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Veteran

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    That's part of the appeal. If you are having so much trouble it means that either your party is not balanced/effective (you made some bad choices with level ups) or that you're not using its potential. Micromanage, switch between ranged and melee weapons, protect your casters, disable enemy casters first and use buffing spells. You should never underestimate the value of those spells since a fully buffed party is going to be much more effective (bless, mass haste, emotion hope, defensive harmony -don't forget bull strength for tanks, cat's grace for high dex characters, barkskin and stoneskin for everyone).
     
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    coineineagh I wish for a horde to overrun my enemies Resourceful Adored Veteran

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    Damn YOU, blasphemor!

    Like Caradhras said, and try using tactical withdrawals, luring enemies one at a time, and running around more to avoid spell effects.

    BTW, did you try setting the difficulty level lower? You are probably lagging in XP gain due to your dialogue, after all. This isn't a melee-oriented game with über items.:cool:
     
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    i always buff up my party before a fight, nevertheless there's always one that dies prematurely, and since my cleric doesn't have resurection i have to reload
    if i had resurection than there wouldn't be any problem

    you can't do that: when one ennemy sees you, the other foes gather around
    this isn't IWD 1 we're talking

    and i always played infinity engine games with core rules level, so i'm not dumbing the game down
     
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    Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Veteran

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    That's always the same one? Poor guy. :p

    Post your party (classes, races, stats, skills and feats) so we can try and give you IWD2 specific tips.
     
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    You're kidding right? The palisade battle, killing the orc guards without them setting off the kegs of blasting to save the villagers (a cinch if you don't care about the villagers), the "Save the Shaegarne Bridge" battle (a bit easier if you don't care about the bridge), and the outdoor battle with the drums, the trolls, and the guy that casts call lightning at the Horde Fortress are all extremely challenging fights. Oddly enough I don't usually have that many problems with the battle on the roof or fighting Guthma.
     
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    alright but that's gonna take some time , theres lots of screenshots to take

    does anyone know if a cleric of Bane can get the resurrection spell ? once i got that the casualties wont be a problem anymore
     
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    [​IMG] The early game is considered by many to be the hardest part, due to your limited spells, low hitpoints, and the fact that you're just getting hang of the game.

    There are many choices you make which can influence the difficulty of the game, perhaps it's handy to also mention your items, favourite spells, and your most used tactics.
     
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    An evil Cleric can't convert spells into healing spells, that's the difference between evil Clerics and the others (neutral and good). By the way Clerics of Bane can be LN.

    I agree that it is a challenging game (and that's a good thing) but it shouldn't be too hard if you buff and make the most of your party's abilities. If that part of the game already feels too hard then it won't get much easier later on (although high level spells -and I'm not only talking about raise dead here- make a difference).

    IWD2 is very similar to the BG series and other infinity engine games but there are some very important differences that can make it a bit daunting at first if you don't adapt well (mainly backstabbing and flanking). You also have to bear in mind that stats don't work in the same way and that makes a huge difference.

    For instance I learned the hard way that too much multiclassing early in the game can really cripple your party (and multiclassing certainly looks very tempting in IWD2).

    Even without spoilers it may be possible to improve your party's efficiency so it could help if we could point out the weaknesses in your builds. I'm not saying you have to min max or powergame but that you should build on your party strengths and take advantage of their abilities.

    Good suggestion from coineineagh: tactics and items can help. Don't worry, I have started that game numerous times before I could get my own "perfect" party -i.e. the one that worked for me and which was fun to play while being efficient enough so I didn't have to use Power Word Reload.
     
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    the battle thats giving me trouble is the one in the goblin warrens level 1 where there are one goblin shaman and a sorcerer backed up by wolfs and wolf riders

    i usually send my thief and my monk to backstab the spellcasters but its quite tough to manage

    i then try to lure the foes to where the fighter and barbarian are standing, buffed up by the cleric (bless and strengt of one), but they just can't handle so many foes

    my mage is dead and have no way to resurrect him

    honestly BG1 & 2 or IWD1 are piece of cake compared to this
     
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    Dude, if it was easy, the game would suck! The best part of the game is when you finally beat the tough battles. The next time, they won't be so tough...
     
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    [​IMG] Do you have access to Animate Dead? if not, use Summon Monster or Summon Animal. Mass buff the group with Bless and Magic Circle against Evil, and whatever else you deem necessary. Don't go in and backstab; IWD2 has no such thing, there's Sneak Attack which works when your opponent doesn't see you, but it's not too awesome either. Keep your rogue at the back firing arrows. Most of your party can use ranged weapons, to prevent them from taking melee damage. When your summons are buffed and ready, send them close to the enemy group (if the enemy is beyond your sight, they won't attack you or your summons). When you move your ranged attackers in (the party), the frontliners (your summons) will be right next to the enemies, ready to pounce! Your party won't be targeted, and you can take down the casters with arrows. No problems:thumb:
     
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    Yep, that's good old IWD2 tactics 101... Let the summons be the bullet-catchers and reap the rewards and XP...
     
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    well thats a coincidence, its exactly the tactic i planned, i changed most of the cleric spells to summon monsters and used them as canon fodder, while the fighters were waiting in a narrow passage to embush them foes :D

    now i recall my early tactics in BG2, let the spellcasters invoke as many creatures as possible and let them do the dirty work for you; although these are quite weak, i'm looking forward to summon more powerful creatures such as air elementals, further into the game
     
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    Unlike BG2, you'll notice that Animate Dead gets better and better as your clerics level up... It's my favorite spell in the entire game...
     
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    i'll have to try that

    what i noticed instead is that ennemy spellcaster tend to use offensive spells without holding back, especially paralysis
     
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