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Math

Discussion in 'Whatnots' started by Z-Layrex, Sep 17, 2002.

  1. Thanos Gems: 5/31
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    Of course it is. But he didn't say a=1. If he had, that wouldn't be an analytical problem, merely a numerical one.

    -thanos
     
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    How about, x > 0...maybe?

    Why must I see this Math thread today?! Just when I was trying to avoid doing my math homework peacefully, so that I'd have to study for my Calculus quiz tomorrow on the bus to school, I see this #!^&*#!@*& thread, and now I have to study... :p :nolike:
     
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    [​IMG] We'll help with your studying Faerus ;)

    Anyway - Nobleman, the answer would just be 0, wouldn't it?
     
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    It can't be 0, because a is greater than 0. 1 seems like the most likely answer.

    [Edit] Scratch that, I actually thought about this now :) 0 is also a possible solution for x.

    [Edit 2] Scratch what I just said. All this mechanics I've been doing has confused me :) 0 can't be an answer, because you can't have 0 to the power of 0, at least as far as I know.

    [ September 19, 2002, 16:33: Message edited by: Wildfire ]
     
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    Guys:

    IT CAN'T BE A NUMBER.
    It has to be something that has 'a' in it. That's why it's called an analytical solution

    Example: x^2 =a => x=(+-) sqrt(a)

    No numbers.

    -thanos
     
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    [​IMG] :hmm:

    This may not make sense - but could it be -0.5
     
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    You're mean, Nobleman. I'll bring this to my friends at school and see what they can find out. And if any of you would care to help me with something I had on my math test today:

    Find g(100) from g(t)=7-[11cos(2*pi*t/365)+5sin(2*pi*t/365)]

    I just hope this is something we haven't learned yet, and that it doesn't count in the final results :p . I have trouble finding the meaning of the [] around parts of the function.

    [ September 19, 2002, 18:34: Message edited by: Mollusken ]
     
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    The "[" and "]" are just a different form of parentheses to indicate order of operation.

    Essentially you take the COS of 2*pi*100/365 and multiply that by 11. Take the SIN of 2*pi*100/365 and multiply that by 5. Add those two results together. Subtract that result from 7.

    [ September 19, 2002, 18:43: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]
     
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    And what's the exact difference between () and []?

    [ September 19, 2002, 19:17: Message edited by: Mollusken ]
     
  10. Blackthorne TA

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    There is none really. It's just a convenience to make it easier to see where each begins and ends. If you only used parentheses and not brackets or braces, it just makes it harder on the eyes.
     
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    ooh, I love math thingies for fun.
    I'd the say the answer would be a>0, for x=[0,unlimited[

    0 is in because, something^0 = 1

    positive, well, that should be obvious, gets bigger :)

    no negatives due to the very first x would always make it negative.

    did I mess up, or are you supposed to start playing with them exp and logaritme natural(sp?), ln for short, thingies?

    [ September 19, 2002, 20:08: Message edited by: Lokken ]
     
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    Negative even numbers are in too because (-2)^-2 becomes 1/(-2)^2 = 1/4 which is bigger than zero.

    However, negative odd numbers are out because you will end up with a negative fraction. and a < 0 is not allowed.

    Don't ask me how to write that in bracket notation :)
     
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    I'd say ANY negative number is out. It's an exponent tower, right? So .... * 1/2 * 1/3 * 1/4... = 0.

    AFAIK 0 and 1 are the only values for X that will yield a finite a greater than 0.

    [EDIT] Can you actually have 0^0? Is that valid? I mean, 0 * anything = 0, but anything ^ 0 = 1... I guess this doesn't include 0, then? [/EDIT]

    [ September 20, 2002, 00:29: Message edited by: Judas ]
     
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    Oh is that the definition for an exponent tower?

    I was just trying to solve X^X^X^X^... >0

    I wasn't thinking about X^(X+1)^(X+2)^(X+3)... >0
    or any other sequence that the exponent changes its value.
     
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    All numbers to the power of 0 = 1 because x^0 = x/x = 1 (any number divided by itself equals one of course)

    Now try zero..... It is nonsense to divide anything by nothing, including nothing, so no 0^0 does not equal 1. If anything it is infinite.

    So now at least we know that x is positive and also greater than zero.

    We'll get there guys.
     
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    The only possible solutions are that X = (0, 1). Any other number would lead a to change infinitly. Unless infinity is acceptable as an answer.

    Ugh. Too early for Math. Need java. :coffee:
     
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    I believe the problem converges for a range of values of X, but as Nobleman said this is not an easy one. As for me, I've been too far away from this type of thing to solve it (even if I could when I was in school).
     
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    [​IMG] Mollusken = if t = 100 then G = -12.19 to 4 s.i.f

    in full it'd be -12.18563814, but that was just me checking on my calc ;)
     
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    It has been a while since I've seen any complex math, but I'm still confused as to what the actual question is.

    Solve what?

    Do you mean you want possible values X can take on? As we've previously discussed, anything other than 0 or 1 yields either a=positive infinity, or a=0.

    On the note of 0^0=?, I looked it up. Sometimes it's 1, sometimes it's 0. I'm not kidding. I think there are rules decide when to use what. It is generally accepted that (i.e. in most cases, the appropriate value is) 0^0 = 1. This isn't any kind of proof, really, but calc.exe yields 0^0=1, as well.

    Back to the question... if you're not after a range / set of possible values, it doesn't make much sense to me. Did you mean you want an expression to give you the nth term of the sequence X, X^X, X^X^X, X^X^X^X... ?

    [ September 21, 2002, 00:40: Message edited by: Judas ]
     
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    Lookie what I found: http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/jmac/ther/tower.htm

    Looks like the hyperpower function of x converges for a range of numbers just as I thought. Specifically for the range of x between e^(-e) and e^(1/e).

    [ September 21, 2002, 00:53: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]
     
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