New party creation help please

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I have spent many hours planning all drow parties so let me share me exp

I agree with Chevalier that you need a pure sorcerer, a rogue2/wizard, a cleric. The last character really depends on your play style.
I suggest this:

Rogue2/wizard(diviner)x
9/20/16/20/10/5
thief and versatile caster, enchantment/necromancy/transmutation
take bard1 if you like for bard items
take evocation instead of enchantment if you use the cleric of bane

sorcerer
6/20/14/16/4/20
evocation and necromancy, talker

now you have some choices for the other two
heres some ideas you can pick from
1)fighter1/monk1/cleric of banex
18/20/14/5/18/5
enchantment and fighter feats
all weapons, evasion, wis bonus to ac, ton of spells.(take ranger over fighter if you duel wield.
2)fighter4/talos26
18/16/18/5/18/5
fighter feats and evocation
3)monk13/banex
10/20/14/13/18/5
use this character as a decoy and buff her as such
her spell resistance should block all spells, both evasions, immunes to disease/poison, use expertise and you can have a high ac, also decent speed. use xbow early for damage. Best used with the talos so you have one melee char.
4)fighter2/ranger1/monk1/helm26
18/20/14/5/18/5
5)another sorcerer
6/20/16/12/6/20

 

Can you really make a decent 'trapdigger' out of a 2nd level Thief? Anyway, you are correct by saying you need no thief, as there is no opportunity to be stealthy. I still can't see how you guys survive with a party of 4, including 2 mages... Unless you start at 20th level of course.

 

Concerning the trapdigging thief: With high intelligence you can distribute a LOT of skill point every level, and since finding traps depends on your, well, "find traps" skill and NOT your rogue level, you're set. The one rogue level is usually just for starting skill points. Second and third are mostly for Evasion / Uncanny Dodge.

 

If your wizard is Drow or Teifling he starts off with 20 in Int which gives him a lot of skill points. Also you really dont need Spellcraft more than 10-15 and Alchemy more than 12-16.
So there are a lot of skill points you have to spend on the rouge skills.

Also if I remember correctly every paladin in your party get some stats +1 after the Lost Followers quest. I'll find which they are when I get there this time round.

 

I did really well with 4, and I'm no expert player by any means. I have a paladin cleric, barbarian/druid, monk, and sorcerer.

I made two poor decisions: 1) the monk is weak, I wouldn't take a single class monk again. 2) I took my paladin to level 4, which really got him behind in the cleric department. The value of a good heal spell in the middle of combat cannot be underestimated, plus the level 7 Greater Lathanders Shield is awesome.

If you have 4, all 4 should be capable of spellcasting, and I would choose races that don't give a ECL penalty so that you get those high level spell ASAP. You should think twice about this tho, if you plan on taking that party into HOF, since the racial bonuses will matter more there.

You should have two sorcerers in the party: 1 pure sorcerer (to learn high level spells ASAP)and one fighter/sorcerer or paladin/sorcerer to learn important spells that the other one bypasses. You should of course have a cleric. The cleric should MC to a fighter class, because there are great buffs that the cleric can only cast on himself. This is all IMO, of course, since others may have other experiences, but that's what my experience has told me.

[ May 25, 2004, 21:25: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

I too think that a 4 person party is the strongest, purely for the fact that they advance levels more quickly.

 

Thinking about it some more, based on how weak my monk was and the fact that I still won, I think the game is fairly easy to beat with 3. Of course, some of the tough battles will still take some reloads to beat. If I were to take a party of four through again, my fourth would be a 'fun' class. I would take a bard, or something weird like a bard/druid, instead of the monk, just to see how strong I can make him.

I actually think the 'dynamic duo' concept is interesting, and makes the game challenging all the way through. However, it forces you to take two powergaming characters.