No blocking organ donations

i dont find excuses for anything, i dont need them, i couldnt give a damn what other people do to their bodies.

your missing the point though, alot of people are indesisive, they dont want to make decisions for themselves,as felinoid pointed out, now they are being forced to make a decision, and i think alot of people will bow out, and there will be less organ donations on whole, not because they are blocked, but because people will not make that decision for themselves

im going to pick up on this:

selfishness isnt a factor, people dont just say " no donation because i dont want them to" for a relative to obstruct a donation they would have good reason to

 

Indeed.

Ha! I will return from the dead to haunt whoever guts me open like a fish.

What's wrong with selfishness? Why the f*** should I care about the lives of others? Why should I care about saving them?

 

Selfishness is a factor when you're choosing your own wishes over those of the deceased. Reason or not, it's still selfish to say that it shouldn't happen because you don't want it to. It's the very root of the word: SELF-ish, as in self-oriented, rather than respecting the wishes of others. That doesn't apply to your situation, as it is her wish to withhold her organs so as not to traumatize you, but your situation is not the only one that exists.

Sometimes nothing, sometimes everything. If you want to be selfish and say "they're not having my organs", that's perfectly okay, and well within your rights to do so. But to say "they're not having my sister's organs" is utterly ridiculous if she already consented to it. It was her decision, and someone interfering with her wishes for their own reasons is...I can't think of a way to politely end that sentence.

 

Yeah, everyone has the choice to decide if they want to be donors or not. I never would oppose a relative wanting to give them if he/she wants to.

But not a chance in hell they're getting anything of me.

And Fel, screw being polite, say your piece, even if it has to be censored.

 

We're not talking about mature adults; we're talking about immature adults, of which there are PLENTY out there, I'm sad to say. I'm still in favor of this law, and I think it'll do more good than harm...but it's a close thing.

 

i havent said that i care about what these people do, im saying that because of this new legislation less people will sign up to be donors.

good, youve touched on what ive been talking about, both of my brothers became donors withough discussing it with family members, and i have no doubt that there are many other cases like that. now these conversations will be happening, there will be less potential donors.

i personally think organ donation is a terrible idea, not because of my phobia but because of what it actually is, i couldnt imagine how anyone could live with an organ transplant, knowing that someone died so that they could live, in essence becoming a parisite.

 

That would only be the case if we were deliberately killing people (or even just letting people die) in order to harvest their organs. This is not the case. Most donated organs come from people that doctors tried their hardest to save, and were simply unable to. Harvesting the organs is then simply a matter of making something out of nothing. The only other way an organ is harvested is if it is non-vital and will not kill the donor.

If you want to get into black market practices, that's a whole other discussion, as well as being speculation at best.

 

Parasites don't live off death. They live off of life. Have you ever heard of a tick or a leach latching on to a corpse? That said, the donor didn't die so you could live. The donor died because he was shot, had a heart attack, had a car accident, was accidently decapitated in a bizaare ferris wheel accident, etc. The donor didn't die so the recipient could live. The donor became an organ donor so the recipient could live. Why the donor died and why the recipient is now alive are only loosely related.

 

I think shoshino is looking at it from the other way around. From the "donee's" point of view which would be "I'm alive because some person is dead." and in effect its quite a horrible thought but he should be thinking "I'm alive because some person, who made a decision to have his organs donated should he die, died."

There should be no guilt attached to it. Its almost like looking at a firefighter and thinking "This person saved my life and I'm alive because he didn't seek a higher-paying line of work - oh God I'm a monster!".

Survivor's guilt I guess is what you imagine somebody would experience but people die every day and the person who recieves the organs most probably had NOTHING to do with the death of the doner.

 

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but it does seem to be an opinion that is not widely shared on these Boards. It seems that most of us agree that saving a human life is well worth the minor downside of a bit of sqeamishness of thinking of having a part of someone else in you.

What's your stance on blood transfusions then? Is that any different?

 

there's a beast born from mythology and story that survives on others blood, for whatever reason given to your survival it simply comes down to the fact that you surive(d) because of something that was not inherantly part of your body.

 

You're basing your opinion on mythology and fiction? It's a shame that some person will die because of it.

 

Well, far more people would die if there were no blood transfusions than if there were no organ donations.

I struggle to understand any opposition to blood transfusions. They save so many lives. I don't see how it is different to eating a carrot. A carrot is not inherently part of your body, but if you put it in your mouth and chew it up and swallow it, it can help you live instead of dying of starvation.

 

No, he's basing it on the phobia. Observe...

There's Tom (-ophobia) rearing his ugly head again. Sometimes they get rather integrated into your personality, like someone with a fear of flying going on about how many things can go wrong with a plane in the air.

 

Personally, I can't see the point in this argument. The main proponent of the argument against this legislation is against it because he has a phobia. this means that his dislike for it is irrational by definition, and no amount of logic or reason will change his mind.

 

That may be true, but that doesn't mean we should dismiss everything he says out of hand simply because we can't change his mind. Having a phobia doesn't mean you can't have a point.

 

Slightly off the current topic, but as a fiance and not (yet) a husband, I don't believe Shoshino would have actually had any say in whether his fiance's organs were donated. Medical maters tend to be restricted to family only and fiance doesn't count. Oh, and ripping up the donor card will probably not prevent organ donation. Details will be kept on an NHS server in cases of lost cards. It can be ammended here

I don't believe that this will mean fewer organs being donated, purely on a statistical basis. Currently about 10% of families withhold permission and I find it extremely unlikely that this percentage of people will suddenly change their mind.
From 2005/2006 figures, that 10% equates to about 240 more lives saved in the UK. Not a huge figure, but hugely important to their families.

Phobia's notwithstanding, I find it difficult to understand how anyone can object to this law. By doing so you are basically stating that your loved ones are unable to make their own decisions.

 

im close to her mother, and she would help me overturn the situation, also this will change in later this month.

not true, that is a matter of empathy, im capable of making my own decisions, but my parents will always be a big guiding factor in decisions i make, if my mother aid to me "joining the forces and going to war will traumatise me" when i was 17 i porbably wouldnt have joined the forces.

no its not, pay attention - i believe that because people who become donors at a young age (normally when you sign for a drivers licence) now have to make that very personal decision for themselves many will choose not to become donors - because they dont want that power over their lives - they want someone else to make that choice for them.

but why are we doing this? if their organs are failing they should be dead, just as if anything goes wrong with my body, i will die.

donation takes away something special from being human, your no longer one of the finest biological entities in creation, were just another machine, if we need spare parts, we'll just take them from another malfunctioning specimin until such a time arrives that we have the knowledge to replace them by another means (stem cells).

why is so much money being wasted on transplants when we should be focusing on research to allow us to grow new organs as and when they are needed.

even if you have a transplant, its far from guarenteed that you will live