POLL: Moses: miracle worker or wizard?

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Sorry Charlie, but the Gospel of John was not written by at least five people. Talk about a statment based completely on faith!

I love how people sit back and lob verbal bombs at the Bible's authority without offering proof. I guess its an easy target, but none of the charges stick.

Lets go compare ancient manuscripts. There is more proof that Jesus rose from the dead than that Alexander the Great lived.

 

Actually, Moses was really just an avenue through which God worked. It wasn't like Moses walked around slinging spells. God worked through Moses to free the Israelites from captivity and give them the law.

Charlie - As for the writings of the Apostles, these were men directly guided by the Holy spirit to record the things they had seen. They did not write these things just because the end wasn't coming fast enough - they wrote them so that people would believe - John 20:31:

"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name."

 

Let´s shoot in another ancient manuscript, claiming that even Jesus said he didn´t rise

The evangelion of Fillipus 21:

They who say, "the Lord first died and then stood up" are lost.
Because he rose up first and then died, if somebody doesn´t rise, he cannot die.
Only if God resides in him, he can die.

Another interesting part:

14
Some say:
Maria is made pregnant by the holy spirit, they are lost, they don´t know what they are saying.
Since when can a woman ever get impregnated by another woman?

Both said by Jesus

This book and others, each written by one of Jesus´s disciples, are all lost during the reign of early Roman Catholic church, to make the bible more accurate? But they were guided by the holy spirit??

Obsessed by power, even killing each other..
Holier-than-thou in their castles of marmer and gold, while Jesus drank from nothing more than a wooden cup.

And what about Paul? He claimed men was far superior to the women in IIRC Corinthians, the womans should be always ask permission to their husband to speak and sit quietly in church.
Was he not guided by the Holy Ghost? And what about Jacobus, he praised Paul for his work, was he not guided..
Or did the Holy Ghost had a union break?

[ April 29, 2003, 08:52: Message edited by: Morgoth ]

 

That's a little bit exaggerated.

[ April 25, 2003, 00:18: Message edited by: Yago ]

 

Mat,

I'll recheck my sources and get back to you.

Quicksylver,

That doesn't disprove what I'm saying. They did want to share Jesus' teachings. It doesn't mean that they wrote down the gospels as each event occured. They do in fact contradict each other.

Well, I did expect to ruffle some feathers.

 

well if ancient manuscripts are coming into play, how about the Egyptian Book of the Dead?

anyone know the name Ptah? or what symbol he's represented by? or for that matter how that symbol came into being?

 

Hm, concerning sources of the Bible. Moses went up on a hill, had a meeting with god. And god gave him the laws of Babylon ??????

 

Maybe Moses was farsighted and walked up a Ziggurat

 

Maybe Tal should close the topic. (hint hint)

Really you all should "check out" the 6th & 7th books of Moses. i can't make sense of it, but it sure raises some questions.

 

Hmmm.. yeah well we discussed most of it now, so that the dangers of spamfests come closer and closer..

But I will check the books then,

 

Pardon me for coming late to this discussion, but what exactly separates the "natural" and "supernatural"? Let me illustrate what I mean with a story:

An Indian sage (East Indian) was having a little difficulty with one of his pupils. One day, his student came to him with a troubled look. "Master, I don't know if I even have faith anymore. How do I know that the things you teach are true?"

The sage got slowly up. "Come with me into the garden, my child," he replied. Together they entered the garden, and the sage knelt upon the ground. He took a seed of corn and planted it in the ground. In a few moments, a green sprig pushed up, sprouted leaves, and began growing into a stalk. As the astonished student watched, the stalk folded out, spread its leaves, sprouted buds, and blossomed into a rose. He blurted, "Now I believe! This is truly a miracle!" The sage smiled and shook his head. "My son, open your eyes. The process may be slower, but this happens every spring. Life itself is the miracle."

 

But

1) I see nobody taking responsibilty for those "miracles",

2) I ask again, what exactly is life?

 

Mat,

Just so this is isn't hanging:

Gospel of John I

Gospel of John II

Even if it wasn't written by one person, it doesn't change the message or the truth oh the Gospel of John.