POLL: Potentially Allowing Ragusa and Darkwolf to Post in AoDA & AoLS Again

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Gnarf's post are hilarious...some of the things that he says are so incredulous they leave me laughing aloud as I read them. I need more of this; bring e'm all back!

 

I think the problem with Ragusa is not so much what he says as the reception he gets. And maybe the fact that he won't stand away from posting even knowing what kind of reception he's going to get. And let me once again say that the feedback he gets sometimes is often in a bigger conflict with the rules than his posts are. I vote positive and I'm in favour of letting him back and applying to him all the rules that exist with no exception, but with no extrapolation, either. Monitoring his posts closely in the beginning will be a good opportunity to determine the appropriateness of the feedback he gets in his threads, so that he benefits from the protection of the rules himself as well, i.e. that other posters argue with him, but the judgment of his posts comes from the moderators only, that he isn't a target of ad hominem attacks, that he isn't hastily criticised for a wrong reading of his points, that he can still express his unpopular opinion if he keeps it civil etc etc.

As for Darkwolf, I just don't know. I don't remember anything. It would be a good idea to give him a chance, I think. I would add the same caveat as in Ragusa's case: being a prolific poster with controversial ideas, he needs to protected from ad hominem attacks and the like as any other poster and should be judged only by moderators.

 

I say: Let the Board decide, hard to be "democratic" about this topic, someone has yo be leaders and to decide do's and don'ts...

 

I voted Positive, because it's a no-lose option. If they break the rules again, then they can be banned again fairly easily. In the meantime, there is the opportunity that the rest of us may benefit from their view on things.

 

I haven't been here long enough to realy have an opinion of said BoM members, so I support the neutral option as a form of contribution.

 

IMO, if they've been around for a year and still want to post in AoDS and AoLS, what's the harm?? Its actually heartening that any individual is that loyal to any forum out there...

That, plus...as others have mentioned, you can always just ban them again! So yeah...positive!

 

Any chance of allowing political talk in #sorcerers again, while you're feeling magnaminous?

 

I voted positive, because I'm not perfect myself. I know first hand how personal some of these topics can be. From time to time we need to be able to take a step back, remember that they are opinions. I think that has stopped me from doing something truly stupid more times than I can count...

There has to be some measure to forgive those of us that let our emotions get the better of us. Yeah, we all screw up, but we need the chance to learn from our mistakes.

 

Sure, let them back. The more people in there the better even if they are posting in the worst of circumstances since I'm rather thick skinned and even enjoy a good flame war.

 

It seems to me that it is useless to bring back Ragusa if people are unwilling to tolerate his posts. I agree with an earlier poster that what he said actually was not all that bad and that it was really the reacters that made it a real problem. I think it is prudent to remember that if you dont like what one person posts so much that it makes you super angry then just ignore that person it helps keep your blood pressure down .

If Ragusa understands that you should deliberate and discuss what other people write in a thread if you want to have a real discussion (debate) then I say yes bring him back as discussion is a very good thing and you need differing views to have one (he does not have to answer other people I just want to make sure he knows that if you want a good discussion you need to actually talk to them rather than making long speaches every time).

On Dark Wolf I cant say yet as I have yet to see what he did.

(this has to be the worst post ever from me can anyone even understand what I am trying to get across?)

 

Well Tal did mention in his opening post that it's in the end up for the mods to make the decision. I get the feeling that this poll is searching more fot the negative votes, since it's quite obvious that most won't mind. The problem to begin with as I saw it was because there were a few of those who would simply leave the boards when they saw some of the political debate in the alley or participated in it and in the end got frustrated enough to leave.

 

While I remember being annoyed and offended at some of Ragusa's posts containing any sort of politics, it's something that can be shrugged off by now with ease.

Darkwolf did not bother me.

 

Ohhhhhhh... I hadn't really remembered why they were banned in the first place, but it's starting to come back to me now. Damn that was annoying.

What was Darkwolf's problem, though? I have a vague recollection of him being overly condescending without answering points, but that could just be my memory playing tricks with me.

 

Positive; because I think ragusa is innocent and his posts aren't bad, except their incredible length.

 

"innocent"??? That's a big word. He's definitedly biased, but innocent? I agree with the length of the posts still

 

I think the thing that should be made clear to Ragusa when he comes back that he can't treat this forum as his personal blog or anything. If he wants to discuss an issue then it's fine but posting dozens of threads practically about the same subject really does not do any good. What it does however is invoke extreme annoyance with those who have opposite views and in the long run even in those who share many of his views begin to find it tiresome. If he understands this then it should be fine.