POLL: Thoughts about cannabis?

Remove all ads!

I forgot the name, but as far as i know it won the test twice already. And not just regarding weed, but the service as a whole, friendly people, fresh orange juice, clean establishment, etc..

And you're right about Maastricht, the weed business there is completely set up for mass production, not the best quality as you can guess. Same goes for Heerlen by the way. The smaller towns are where you want to go if you're looking for quality weed.

 

I work in a psychiatric ward, I have met some funky potheads with severe cannabis psychosis. It is such a wonderful trigger for latent mental illnesses.

 

It's illegal here. I've never even tried it (and leave any party it's being used). I would have no problems firing a coworker who had traces in their blood after involved in an accident at work (of course, alcohol in their system would also result in their firing).

I do not agree with the 'war on drugs' going after the users, but I would support punishments for dealers being doubled if any crime involved children.

 

I'm somewhat divided between the different arguments in this thread. Yes, I am a canabis (or rather hash) consumer, and has been so for many years now. I like to relax with a joint, a bong, a chillum, or most of the other ways to smoke hash.

No, cannabis doesn't kill brain cell per see (as alcohol does), but it puts in a state of "unconsciousness", meaning that some brain cells won't work propper (or not at all) during the period (approximately 6 weeks or so) that the canabinols are present in your blood.

Afaic I think hash and cigaret smoking are just as lethal to your system. See when you prepare hash (or pot - weed) you mix it with tobacco. The tobacco has been burned in order to burn out the nicotine, though a lot of the already presented substances in the tobacco will still be there.

Oh but it does. As explained above it will lower your ability to consume knowledge, it will mess up your coordination, and make you less aware of what happens around you.

I was a daily hash consumer from I was thirteen to I was about 16-17, and smoked just about 3-6 kilograms of hash a day (and even more during weekends). I recall it was very hard to stop smoking (and still is). Today it's still a struggle to say no to that joint and go make homework/whatnots instead, and keep the smoking on low. I wouldn't say that I'm for or against a legalization of cannabis as I really can't make up my mind whether it would turn out to the worse or the better.

 

I agree. But not too heavy on the taxes. It should be about the same as cigarettes. The idea here is to also destroy the black market in these drugs, and in the process, the crime that goes with it.

 

Heh..i think i found it, the name is Skunk, and is located near the trainstation. Here's some info.

 

I've tried cannabis a few times. To me it works as sedative. I did not want to be sedated, I wanted to be up-lifted, therefore I had no interest to make it a regular habit.

Legally, it should be treated as beer/wine. I think cannabis creates for it's users a lot more problems because the can't link cannabis to beer/wine. It probably wouldn't occur to them to drink a pint of beer every 2 hours, yet with cannabis, some people don't seem to see any problem with that and they end up being stoned 24 hours the day.

In general, people that consume daily cannabis seem apathic and phlegmatic to me. They don't seem to care or worry about anything. And those that dropped out of school didn't give a **** about it. Alcoholics at least show some temper.

It's obviously hard to tell what was first, cannabis or the problems. But cannabis, like alcohol, seems to have the property to work like fertiliser on already existing problems, making them more and more serious.

 

@ Pac man

Cant remember the name of that coffeeshop either. It must be more than three years since the last time I was there. Would recognize it, however, if there were pics. And yes, the quality AND quantity were good, the persons were very friendly (all of them... Lebanese?), and the location was indeed homely and clean. Nice little shop from what I recall.

@ Olim
I take it you mean three to six grams? No one could consume even as much as one kilogram and live to tell the story.

edit -- typ0z

[ November 18, 2005, 16:55: Message edited by: Dendri ]

 

@ Iago

A proper combination of alcohol and hash will also get you uplifted, though as someone mentioned earlier, you could just as well end up getting really sick, if you don't know your boundaries

But, there's a line between not WANTING to care about it, and simply just not caring about it.

Most younger (and older) drug (ab)users has other problems that cause them to seek out psychedelic experiences. When I state that theres a difference between not wanting to care about bad stuff happening to you, and then not caring, is that most of these people are tortured souls, who simply don't want to care, as caring about other people, things in your life, etc. Will only cause pain when he/she fails at doing whatnots (most of these "know" that they will fail something, because they're used to either think of themselves as failures, or used to simply failing things due to various problems).

To sum up this kinda confusing reply:

Those kicked out of your class will most likely "care", but don't want to care (or show that they care) because loosing things you care about causes pain, and pain is what they want to avoid by doping themselves continuously.

 

When you're feeling down, you should stay clear from weed, it will only increase your emotions. I'm no specialist in this field, but from whitnessing my surroundings, i'd say weed works best when you want to chill out for a bit, and there's nothing to worry about, like getting up early for work, or that sort of things. When you're feeling relaxed, that's when it has the best effect. You can just hang around with a bunch of friends, and laugh about pretty much everything you see or talk about. If something looks a little ridiculous when you're completely sober, it will look hilarious when you're stoned, or something that makes perfectly good sense, suddenly sounds friggin ridiculous. That's the basic idea.

It's even more intense with magic mushrooms. Once me and my friends went to a lake with a few bags of mushrooms and a gallon of gasoline. Once the mushrooms kicked in, we poured the gasoline into the lake and set it on fire. Normally it doesn't make any sense at all, but when you're under influence of mushrooms, watching water burn is the coolest thing imaginable.

 

@Saber: The "fact" that weed is a "cell-buster" is untrue. When I was like 18, I was stoned 24/7 (or permafried, if you prefer). I had a job, a girlfriend that would later become my fiancée (I quit toking when she told me she was pregnant), a good job... and as you can see, I still have all my head.

And concerning the effect, I can only tell you that it depends on the strain of weed.

What I used to smoke (and sometimes still do) was home-grown Blueberry, which is an Indica.

As any weed fans here will confirm, the effect of Indica is calming, and in reasonable dose, can help with concentration. Blueberry saved my ass many times before exams where I was nervous as hell... and I never failed a single exam while under the influence of Blueberry.

Sativa, however, gives a "hyper" buzz, and while funny like hell, it can interfere with your daily life.

As for cannabis VS the law... I find the laws in question stupid and hypocrite. Like I stated in the abortion topic, I believe in pro-choice. You don't want to smoke? That's your choice. But at least RESPECT the choice I made of smoking weed. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the laws in place.

Of course, having been in the "buisness" for a few years, I agree with one anti-drug argument: No one knows what kind of stuff has been added to the weed they purchase/smoke.

Now, a few examples. Purple weed is injected with acid. Not only do you get the weed buzz, you get major hallucinations, too.

Black weed... believe it or not I actually saw this. This is the most frightening thing I ever heard of my life. This one was injected with *STRYCHNIN*, or rat poison, if you prefer.

White weed... if I remember well, this perticular one was injected with bleach.

Strychnin and bleach infused weed... these are a serious hazard for health, and still, some mindlessely smoke this stuff.

That's why I always prefered to grow my own stock. And I still do. I have been faithful to the same strain for years.

To all smokers out there... start your own greenhouse. It's the best solution. You *truly know* what you smoke when it's home-grown.

*EDIT* Ahhhhhhhh! A chev-length post!

 

3-6 kilos?!? WTF? That's somewhere between 6 and 13 pounds of hash a day! Did you do anything besides smoke pot all day? I have a hard time believing a single person could use that much pot even if they smoked from the moment they woke up until when they went to bed. You could mean grams, but then 3-6 grams doesn't seem like that much. You'd barely be able to get a decent high with that much.

 

Hey...give the guy a break, maybe he's a Klingon, and Klingons are known to smoke A LOT.

 

I don't smoke myself, I have tried it but it didn't do much, and since my lungs don't deal with any kind of smoke well at all, after a few attempts I lost interest in 'learning' how to smoke 'properly', as some of my friends who like to smoke say. I stick with alcohol.

From what my friends say and from observing them myself, when used in moderation weed is harmless fun. When used excessively it passivates people and interferes with some of your mental faculties, concentration and learning capabilities. The particular type of weed probably is a large factor, as DotW pointed out, as are existing problems or fertile grounds for developing problems.

From what I know, the 'addiction' to pot is a psychological one. It is a want, not a physical need. However an acquintance of mine once spoke about a weedless week, when he could hardly sleep at all and sweated enormous amounts.

I wouldn't mind cannabis products getting legalized, although personally I probably wouldn't be any more interested than I am now. It would lessen the risks of getting dangerous mixes from suspect sources. I've heard of diesel oil and waste opiats having been put into the mix. Also it would free up police resources for fighting actual criminals.

I heard of an experiment where in a football (soccer) game alcohol was banned but smoking was allowed freely; no violence whatsoever. Interesting.

 

Ah, Aldeth, 3-6 grams... One couldn't even smoke 1 kilo without passing out, methinks I just messed up the terms

Aldeth, where are you from? The US? This would explain why you'd say such a thing, 'cus I can promise you that the hash (not pot - which is weed - mind you) available here in Denmark would knock most poeple off of their feet if they were to smoke more than that (Well, non-regulars and people who is used to pot, which is more "weak").

 

@Susipaisti: I never heard of diesel oil and waste opiates infused weed, but I have no trouble believing it. The stock for sale on the streets is really junk.

@Oli: Yeah, agreed that hasch hits pretty hard. Hasch oil hits even harder. But it is pretty expensive... making it is difficult and hazardous. But if someone's looking to fly *really* high, then that's the way to go.

 

As you all probably will all have guessed I do not use the stuff and I am opposed to its use in general. I understand that making the stuff illegal is not a great solution, as it criminalizes the whole distribution progress which leads to violence.

On the flip side, the problem is that the government needs to be involved regarding some substances (such as Meth, cocaine, heroin, Barner videos, etc) to protect the public. Many stupid people say "if it's legal, the Government is vouchsafing that the stuff is safe, so if I get hurt using it, it's the Governments fault." I say these losers should take some responsibility for their own decisions, but the fact that these sorts of folks are around is one of the reasons the U.S. tried Prohibition with alcohol, and we all know how that turned out.

In general, though, I bellieve that the negative consequences of pot use outweigh any positive ones. It is my understanding that the pot in use today is significantly stronger and more harmful than the pot used in decades gone by. This is from scientific agricultural preacitces that have boosted the TCH (I think that's the name of the psychoactive component of cannabis). Those who state that it's the best option as a painkiller are incorrect, as several doctors who I have asked have said that clinical trials have proved this argument false.

Of course, I must admit that I hold similar views with regard to all recreational drugs, even the legal ones like tobacco and alcohol. Neither of them have benefits that outweigh their detriments (if anyone tells me that wine has anti-oxidents I'll scream -- the studies I've seen state that grape juice has the same benefit, so it's not the alcohol that's helping.) I don't think that Prohibition worked, though, and so in my convoluted way I'm getting to the point that governments should probably legalize it, tax the snot out of it, and punish people who drive under the influence (or otherwise disturb the peace or break the law of the land) in the most severe way possible.

 

That's why I recommend to any weed-consumer to start their own greenhouse and grow their own! It's the only way to be *really* sure of what you're smoking! You can choose a strain that will suit your needs, and besides, growing it is *far* more economic than buying it! A plant can dish out nearly an ounce, and you can *clone* them so it quickly gets interesting.

 

I don't smoke cannabis, and I never will.
For me, it all boils down to fear. It's a poweful emotion. Fear of just what will happen, should I start. Fear of faliure and outcast. Anyway, I don't need no stinkin weed! I got D&D!

 

At DotW:


The laws may be hypocritical, but I still don't see why the government should allow people to potentially endanger people (high while driving), or just letting them ruin their lives. However, I am also against cigarettes (damn things do kill people) and alcohol (not as much, I just don't think it should be allowed to be sold in large quantites, and bartenders shouldn't be allowed to serve patrons over a set limit of alcohol).

Now you are pretty lucky (or just immune), if you never had any bad effects from smoking it...

Oh well, I don't really feel like arguing. I have nothing against people who smoke occasionally, so I'll just stop talking.