POLL: What kind of girls do you prefer?

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Yah, Abomination! That's the stuff! Naked chicks rule!

Newfie, I agree with you. Sometimes...

 

*sigh* Ever get the feeling that males are more shallow than a puddle after a two-minute rainshower? Not that it matters to me personally. I just have to look out for fellow females, and all that.

 

Some males are, Fara. I just don't think some girls know how about getting a man. A girl who does what I said got her own life, her own agenda and doesn't need a man except for sex now and again. Most girls end up crowding their men or getting hysterically emotional and I know a girl like I said won't do that. That's just me speaking from experience. It mightened be anyone else's cup of tea, but hey, it works for me.

 

Why is that?

 

Chances are, Kelvon, she's taken already, that's why.

 

@ Kelvon & Newfie



Check the previous page... I'll think you'll find that, between the two of you, you've managed to make 2 + 2 = 5.

 

Look on the bright side: we're easy to please. Offer regular sex and little emotional stress and we'll pretty much do whatever you want. Sounds like a fair trade right?

Modern relationships are pretty much one sided. The guy has to perform, perform and perform trying to woo the girl and keep her interested because if she sees a better model she'll spout some drivel like "I wasn't ready for a relationship" or "You've changed" or "I think we're moving too fast" and lo' and behold next week she's bedding the Boyfriend Mk. 2

Genralisation? Probably. Means it dosen't happen? No way. Does it happen? More often than you care to think.

 

Holy smokes, I guess assume makes an ass out of u and me! I never seen that one coming! LOL. A Valkyrie too! MMMM! Hey Fara, good to see the minority involved in this conversation. I am sure that many of us on this board have dreamed about two lesbians the one time so I am sure your comments will be appreciated and tuned into. LOL. (More shallowness revealed)

 

This is getting more and more on my nerves. A little empathy wouldn't hurt. It's not like men are all that easy.

 

Lesbians are not interested in males, so why are most males interested in lesbian sex? If a woman is not interested in me, I am not interested in her.

Another thought - do women ever fantasize about 2 gay men having sex?

 

Empathy? What are you talking about Uytuun? Speak your mind about what bothers you about men and what you want and perhaps we will empathize. Every man is different but I think Abomination has hit the nail on the head. It's like a saying on a keychain one of my better ex's used to carry. "Men are like carpets. Lay them right the first time and you can walk all over them." You give a guy what he wants in the bedroom and chances are, he will be a little more receptive to your emotional needs. Yes, we are shallow creatures. It's testosterone that makes us that way.

 

At least we're predictable. Ever tried showing empathy to a girl? It's damn hard work (not like I haven't tried). Changing their minds as often as their underwear.

The carpet comment is quite right. You might think you're walking all over us but in fact we don't even mind. Some enjoy it. Guys actually enjoy stability you know? Knowing there'll be a meal on the table when they get home from work, sex every second night (or whatever timetable you prefer/can handle), someone to talk to occassionally. You've got it made, girl. Any guy would leap at the chance for a girl like that.

 

Hmm perfect girl....

Pulse, breathing, willing (or at least not protesting too much).

Shallow, moi?

 

I don't know about the meals, Abomination. I am perfectly capable of cooking my own meals and would not expect any girl to do any chores for me. Me, gimme a girl who is pleasant most of the time (a rare find), one who does not nag incessantly, is an animal in the sack and shares some common interests with me like movies and going out on the weekends to party a bit. That's all.

 

Guys change their minds a lot as well. Believe me.

And the testosterone argument...well same goes for oestrogene, but that's no reason to stop thinking what the other party might be thinking or feeling, and take those feelings into consideration.

How will you ever have a good relationship if you see things from one side?

Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I need to feel like my partner is a special person, need to be in love. Otherwise it isn't worth my time. And it doesn't work out anyway.

And I don't feel the need to say what bothers me about guys, because I'm not bothered by them. Sure, you may think differently (but not that differently anyway), but you're fun.

 

God, Uytunn. you don't realize how much like my ex you sound like. She kept saying she needs to be in love with the person. I'm at the stage now to realize love is not something you fall into, it's something you grow. I really liked her, but I wasn't in love with her. She was so sweet, but I just couldn't understand her sensitivity to certain things. Most girls love me, think I am fun, really sweet, but here's one girl who didn't think I was sweet enough. I mean, what the hell have I got to do. I don't put myself out there a whole lot anymore, too many intangibles and women are so touch and go. So I have fun and let the world come to me. If I never find her, I never find her, but damn I am going to have fun in the meantime.

 

Newfie, I don't think I like the notion of what you say. I don't think of myself as a shallow creature and it takes more than to lay me right to be able to walk on me all one wants. In fact, one doesn't walk on me at all.

As for giving a girl some emotional closeness on condition she properly takes care of your sexual hunger in bed. Prostitutes have more skill than your average girl and they are OK with a couple of coins without all the effort, you know, and they don't say a word of complaint about it.

Without feelings, it's not all that much different. It's just the currency is different, that's all. It takes some feelings to have a relationship and feelings won't work out without consideration for the other person's feelings. Otherwise, people have a perfect relationship with each other's image in their head. The real person doesn't matter, it's all about the image. So why bother? One doesn't even need a real person on the other end to have an image.

As Uytuun says, guys can change a lot too, be undecided and shallow. After all, you admit that guys tend to be shallow and the things you say about your ex and girls in general could be contained in "shallow" as well. Shallowness is probably unisex. After all, putting so much stress on one's own emotional needs for one person is as egoistic as ignoring those for the other person is. It's like that with all kinds of needs, anyway. I remember talking to a girl (ex or could have been, whatever) about the future of the relationship and her not being able to keep serious for a while and on the following day remembering precisely the opposite conclusions to those at which we actually arrived. But I've heard a lot about the stupid things guys can do. Guys tend to be more rational, but it doesn't really make them wiser on average. Guess we have to combine a woman's sensitivity with a guy's rationality to make the perfect human - in the sense of a union forming something new. After all, that's the point of relationships, isn't it? But to make it "contract", we need some sensitivity in the man and some rationality in the woman.

Come to think about it, however, I prefer girls who have sound logical processes going on their minds and don't follow the infamous "I'm right and you're wrong and what's right for me is wrong for you" principle.

[ March 22, 2005, 21:45: Message edited by: chevalier ]

 

I never said, chevalier, you in particular, that you would be walked on by a girl if she lays you right. I said guys in general. If you resent this then obviously you do not fall in this category. Most guys I know, think with their little head first when it comes to a relationship.

As for prostitutes, I never had the urge or the thought to use one. I can get laid without paying. Maybe you can't and have thought about the idea, so please keep your thoughts about my relationships to yourself. You want to talk about your relationships, fine, we''ll listen. I don't see a Phd in Psychology after the title in your name.

I really don't feel the need to express my emotions to a girl. Unless she makes me angry or makes me happy, I am not going to sit down and analyze my feelings with her. I have other stuff to do. I am what I am and there's no amount of talking from her that's going to make me more in touch with my feelings. She wants to express hers, fine, I'll listen to her and try to be compassionate as I can. As for girls being more emotional and guys being more rational, that is as much as a generalization as the carpet- laid comment. You need to get out there again if you think this is true.

 

It's true, the girls are more emotional thing. As much as I dislike it myself, a girl can be really rational, but will almost always act more emotionally about things that really matter, like a relationship.

I never said you have to "fall" in love, just feel some kind of attraction that goes a little deeper than the looks of the other person. Love is something that grows indeed, but if you don't think your girl is more special than the girl next door, how will you ever find the power to look beyond her irritating sides..., how will you stay together?

I don't think all guys think with their d*cks when it comes to relationships. My guy mates tend to doubt a lot when they are in a relationship, "is she the right one?" "Isn't this too early". Also, they tend to look for more in a woman than just her "layin-abilities". And they are average guys, they watch p*rn, tell dirty jokes, whatnot, but when it comes to a relationship, an easy b*tch won't do.

 

@ Uytuun- you are perfectly right, not all guys are as shallow as some of the guys are making them out to be, sure many of them are, you just hae to look for those who look beyond outside of the chest to what lies inside.

That alone is a contaradiction, a 'relationship' requires the use of the larger head, the smaller one is for flings.

Slow down there Newfie, unless I'm misinterpreting that, its pretty d*mn bitter and insulting. Just because chev is trying to make sure that people don't start thinking all guys have sex with a different girl every night; doesn't mean you have to go trying to insult him. As for a PHD in Pcychology, you don't need to go to university and get a pretty piece of paper, to mean that you know things about women or men. I know of countless cases where uni graduates are lacking quite a tad upstairs.

This thread is full of generalizations which can't be helped, the point is to make them as 'general' as possible, if you go saying "All guys want women purely for the sex" of course there's gonna be guys who disagree, expect it and respect their answers without insulting them, please. Having sex with countless women may work for some guys, heck maybe even many guys, but there are those who care about a girl's personality and other qualities not pertaining to appearance or how good they are in bed.

I believe that sex without relationship is hollow, that it leads nowhere. As for judging girls by looks, believe it or not, if you genuinly care for another, and find whats inside great, you'll find that you're more attracted to that than the model at the bar. I know it sounds cliché and corny, but the truth is if you care about someone that much, then you actually find them more beautiful than anything else, I am speaking from experience here. I find the the things I enjoy doing most with a girl are not sexual, but like simply holding her in my arms gives me more joy than any sex can. Its a feeling you can't help and that makes chacing after women just for sex kinda pathetic, I'm not saying that you guys who do are pathetic; I'm saying that once you find that joy it seems so.

EDIT: how did this post get so long?? chev, you may be rubbing off on me, stop it!