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Science vs. Religion

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Aldeth the Foppish Idiot, Apr 12, 2006.

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    ...but only from a scientific perspective. Because it could be the production of a giant conspiracy. Or one giant coincidence, because all you are seeing is a correlation, and correlation doesn't equate to cause. (Perhaps an insane industrialist was inspired by an increase of black moths and decided urban England should have a kind of black beauty?) But I jest -- of course we are inclined to look at things from a scientific perspective today.

    And of course, physics, astronomy, physical chemistry, geology, etc. is not really affected by this at all. The peppered moth is just one instance of an event that most likely validates a theory of a branch of science.

    No need to make sweeping statements about science. Or religion.
     
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    Susipaisti Maybe if I just sleep... Veteran

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    Now that I see what this "peppered moth" refers to, I must correct my earlier statement and say I have read about it. The word "peppered" confused me.
     
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    NOG (No Other Gods) Going to church doesn't make you a Christian

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    Yes, Susipaisti was originally thinking of a strange Turkish delecacy. :)

    @Aldeth:
    Yes, the Rapture is very much still in debate, mainly because it hasn't happened yet.
    The rapture isn't what presents such a cataclysmic display of Christ's return, that would be the Book of Revelation. The rapture is just all the Christians being taken up to God before, or durring, or after (depending on what you believe) the Tribulation (that's the cataclysmic part).
    What does the Catholic Church teach about this?
     
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    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    Yes, the Tribulation. Excuse my poor choice of words. As I said, Catholics don't really believe this, so that's why I get the terms mixed up. I also understand that there are pre and post tribulationist, and some term I can't remember for those who believe the during part.

    That Christ will come again. No tribulation, and therefore, no cataclysmic event accompanying his return. In one of our most important creeds, it ends "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again."
     
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    NOG (No Other Gods) Going to church doesn't make you a Christian

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    So how do Catholics relate to the Book of Revelation? Is it not in the Apocrypha?
     
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    Saber A revolution without dancing is not worth having! Veteran

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    Erm, what do these questions about specific books have to do with science vs religion? Unless they have some key quotes to understanding the thoughts behind lack of belief in science, or vice versa...

    ?
     
  7. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Catholics simply believe that Jesus will come back some day. But the terms rapture and tribulation are absent from Catholic belief.

    Cathlics use an abbreviated version of the Apocrypha, and they also don't have a formalized section for it. The texts of Deutoronomy are interspersed throughout the Old Testament. I'm not as up on Biblican citations as you are, so I have no idea what the specific content of these verses say. Here's some more detailed information:

     
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    NOG (No Other Gods) Going to church doesn't make you a Christian

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    It's just, between Daniel and Revelation, the protestant Bible paints a pretty clear picture of an apocalyptic end before Christ's return. I'm a little curious as to how the Catholics avoid this.
     
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    All I can say is that for all my years of Catholic teachings, I've never seen or heard a reading from the books you describe. I think the issue is that they are absent from the Catholic Bible, and thus are not consider canon, and therefore not taught.
     
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