Socratic questioning session #1

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I'm saying everyone why do people with the same backgrounds, etc. have different valus from each other, when they are all part of a "herd"?

 

Because they have experienced different things

 

Yes, but does experience dictate our values completely?

 

Not completely.

 

Then what does?

 

Evolution

 

So evolution is responsible for all virtues?

 

Yes

 

In what way?

 

Are there multiple?

 

In what way does evolution determine our morals?

 

I told you 10 posts ago..


This discussion is becoming a waste of space, if you have some trick behind your hands, please post it now,..

 

Maybe we need a new thread about evolution!

Evolution is the secular deification of means as end. There's no point to the universe - as Nietzsche appreciated - so, stripped of purpose, all that remains is process. Process without purpose cannot be judged except as regards its own efficiency in respect to other processes. And if there is no external standard of judgement, then there cannot be any real morality or virtue. There can be power and efficiency, sure, but no virtue.

I mean, think about it: how do we judge if evolution is "working"? What is the "end" of evolution? More life - but why? More complex life - measured how? More intelligence - to what end? Stronger moral sense - by what standard?

Ultimately, with evolution, we get trapped in a literally "endless" circle. Whatever is, is right; whatever is, is improving; whatever will be, will be better; whatever is better, is right; whatever we have today, is therefore better than what we had yesterday; but we can never truly know how to measure what is "better" except by the judgement of time, which - since its passage marks the process of evolution - proves that we are actually better off.

But this is not to say that evolution is necessarily untrue, only that it opens philosophical problems of nihilism that extend far beyond this back-and-forth debate of whether our values are derived from our nature (common to all humanity) or our experiences (specific to individuals), since both nature and nurture are ultimately the product of evolutionary processes.

Suffice it to say that although evolutionary processes may produce behavioral patterns and cultural expectations, they certainly do not create virtue.

 

Nah, Nietzsche disliked the nihilist, he stated that the sole purpose of the universe is the one you give it yourself.

Then what or who does? Was it there for taking when the first human was born?

 

What I mean in my earlier post and what I would like to restate is the following.

Virtue is a pointless concept, let's have an example.

Supposing there was a feature called "bob", humans who had "bob" are "better" than others. You gain "bob" by collecting round stones.

My eventual meaning is that while animals may do things in teams and help each other the concept of virtue was made by humans and as such holds no meaning but what we assign to it.

 

And how would collecting stones fit to that person's moral?

 

I ask this, because you said morals are your creations, yet, they are also set in through evolution, please explain.

 

Where did I say that morals are my creation?

 

3rd post from the top, so please explain your reasoning.

 

Erm... you DO know that virtue is just an extension of moral right?

I said people create virtue, on base of their moral, and moral is made by your environment.