Spanking Kids / Causing Pain / OK?

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I never hit the face. Nor was my face ever hit by my parents.
And there is a big fat difference between abuse and spankin' the friggin' bum. At least in my universe.

I see no reason to change something that worked on my parents, and their parents and so on and on.

There are always exception to the rule.
Abiding by 'too' simple concepts of an something leads often to abstract judgment. Just like people who consider wiping a kids bum after pooping sexual harassment.
Or shooting nekkid photos of junior in pool sans pants as pornography.

My shots of the same kind, were used later by my moms to embarrass me in front of my girl (now Wife).

 

LOL, some people here have a flare for the dramatic. I said a healthy dose of fear, much in the same way people dont mess with wasps due to the healthy fear of being stung.

 

That's the flawed statement I was talking about. The whole "Don't fix what ain't broke" idea. A dodecagon wheel may roll if given enough force, therefore it may work. However, a circular wheel works better.

 

Really? That is what you took from that? Give me a break dude... it's called a little "comic relief" to ease the tention, as this subject has been opening up on these boards as of late. Stop reading it as black and white, use your brain instead.

 

I have trouble doing that when discussing this subject. I find it so bizarre that the most defenceless, ignorant and innocent people in our society are the only ones it is ok to use physical force to discipline. People are even stopping disciplining their dogs with force! But ask them to stop hitting their children and you get a blank stare and called a nutjob.

 

Hey, I just wanted to get in on the spin game. It's fun!

 

LOL, Gaear, if its fun, go spin

to me no, that could only work depending on the purpose it is intended, if you intended it to carry eggs then it is unfit for purpose, if the purpose if to make people sick then it is fit for purpose and therefore works.

Physical discipline is becoming alot rarer then it used to be, back when I was a kid my father would use the wooden spoon, or his belt, today people won't even use their palm, to me all you have to do is look at the kids today, I know people use the "every generation complains about kids" but while we got up to mischief it was nothing compared to today, we threw eggs at windows, today its bricks, we wrote slogans in phone boxes, today they blow them up with fireworks.

 

spanking and beating are 2 different things.

Beating: To strike violently of forcefully and repeatedly.

Spanking: To strike with an open hand on the buttocks in punishment.

it is not violence:

violence: swift and intense force - rough or injurous physical force - an unjust or unwarranted use of force and power.

certainly it is possible to turn spanking into beating, but to responsibkle parents who use it as a tool to discipline it is simply that.

 

This is absurd.
The only thing Spanking teaches a kid, are the limits of his freedom withing the frame of accepted behavior of the family.

At a certain age, somewhere after the first few grades, it becomes unnecessary(the bum-treatment).
Their modus operandi becomes evident and behavior patterns are established.

The spanking makes room for psycho-warfare.
If the kid misbehaves: No Cosmo and Wanda, no Ice-cream no playing with friends or such for the reminder of the day.

I have yet to see my kids draw the conclusion that the spanking we gave them was road-sign to beat others/smaller/weaker/ stupid-er....

They're kids!
The attention span is about "yay-nay" or "Oh, Cosmo and Wanda are on!"

Wonder how many of the 'anti-spanking' faction have kids to begin with!

 

I think it is absurd to find it ok to hit a child that is too small to understand other ways of discipline but somehow it understands why you are hitting it? Cats don't understand you either, do you think hitting one when it misbehaves would improve the behaviour?

 

Most kids don't require hitting to understand they've done wrong. A stern word and other punishment is sufficient. However I believe that some kids do require it, to understand. Some kids, you can talk to them all you like, but they just won't get it. I got spanked when I was younger, and it did me no harm. This was only when I REALLY stepped out of line. I think soft parenting also breeds it's own issues.

Different strokes for blokes like.

 

People also have the wrong idea how spanking works.
It's not that one takes the kid and starts with the treatment (for lack of better words ) and keeps it up for minutes.

One also doesn't advance towards the kid in an menacing manner. The moment the spanking seems deserved, its a quick grab, a couple of short and sweet spanks and be done.
Keep in mind, the bum is also the least sensitive part of the body.

When I was younger, It was accepted for the teacher to hand out lashing on the bum with his stick if misbehaved.

God knows kids were a better sort back then because of it. Mankind lost lots because of over-analyzing.

 

What I find intesting is that people who are against spanking are the ones who profess to know what it teaches children. Me and my two brothers were spanked and none of us pick on others smaller then us, what it did teach us is that if we didnt listen to our father we would get a clip. I cant say Ive ever met a person who spanks as a their first resort, we got two warnings and if we still did it we got a clip, what it taught us was when my father said "Do that and you'll get a smack" we would get a smack, unlike those 'parents' you see these days who threaten and threaten their child but the child knows that the threat wonr happen.

Cats reason differently to a human mind, they are not children, their brains are fully developed with reasoning capabilities. to teach a cat about discipline you need to make it associate behaviour as being unpleasant. Cats dont like loud noises, sticky objects or water, making them the 3 best methods of teaching a cat what is right and what is wrong, to teach my cats not to jump into the dining room table and kitchen counters I randomly pasted them with golden syrup it took a couple of weeks but now I dont have to do that anymore, my cats dont even try it. To get them to leave the christmas tree alone I kept a water pistol with me, I didnt want to teach them that they aren't allowed near it so I only sprayed them if they did anything, while keeping the pistol concealed from them. If the animal learns that the unpleasantness is coming from you, then it wont work.

Children have to learn to respect their parents, respect and fear go hand in hand, I respect venomous snakes because I fear them, I respect cars on the road because I fear being hit by one.

 

Now I am confused so small children DO have reasoning capabilities? But wasn't the reason for hitting them that they wouldn't understand other kinds of discipline? Funny to see that you think it is worthwhile figuring out ways to discipline and control a cat without hitting it but when it is a human child you just smack it around a bit. Which I reckon is what your father taught you so you were actually taught to hit those smaller than you. They just needed to be way smaller.

 

Kids of a certain age have no reasoning, nothing proper at all-yet.
And arguing in a two way dialog, like you would with someone your age and experience is not possible without being absurd.

Try reasoning with a kid properly about the intricacies of society. lol
And why some for of behavior is accepted and some not.

Kids; no reasoning, nothing proper at all.
But what they do have in abundance is curiosity. Lots of it. Tons of it. And it too can kill...not only the cat.
They will always try to push their way. Its the nature of a curious being not because they are evil.

Upbringing only exist to crystallize a behavior, that will be accepted by the society they will later live in, and form them into people.

The parents have the job (because it is a 24/7 job appointed to you by nature; nurture and God the almighty) to make the nasty and stupid things go away and let the sensible things remain.

It's easy for the grandparents, uncle with no children, or the family friend or who-ever to go easy on kids and spoil them. But those people leave after a few hours and parents don't.

Kids are not equal with the parent. And discussing things back and forth with them is not an option. Not until a certain age, and even then our word as parents has still more weight.

And let me tell you one thing, kids who are loved, won't ever make a big deal out of it, just because you gave them a handful of spanking when they were misbehaving.

 

The conflict is between smacking the child and letting it do whatever it wants? It is not possible to teach it proper behaviour without striking it Darion?

 

These arguments are bordering on silly. It's amazing we can take a serious subject and basically argue:

"It's wrong."
"No it's not."
"It's wrong!"
"No, it's not!"
"IT'S WRONG!"
"NO, IT'S NOT!"
"YOU SUCK!"
"NO, YOU DO!"