The Matrix Reloaded!

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Ara hasn't seen it, it comes out in Finland on Wednesday.
I think that the dance thing was relitivly badly done, and Neo flying did make it seem slightly ridiculous (though it did fit in with his character).

 

Overall, the first movie was much better. I'm not saying that I didn't like this one, it just didn't meet my expectations. The first half hour was so boring! My God, I almost fell asleep!

 

Is anyone else disappointed that it didn't beat out Spiderman in box-office cash?

 

No, since it is an R-rated movie, it did beat Hannibal which had the opening weekend record for an R rated movie.

 

Anyone notice Keanu ALWAYS jerks his head around when he starts talking? Much like the masked super robot heroes from Japan like Ultraman or Masked Rider

 

SPOILERS!!
The guy is a traitor because Agent Smith copied himself in him.Two guys were running from the agents and Bane said to the other it's this what matters and gave other a disc, other escaped through telephone but Smith replicated himself in Bane and Bane went to Zion.

 

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This is the conversation between Neo and the Architect. I got it from a local forum, thought you guys might be interested.


The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****.

Neo - There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can`t control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can`t make me do anything!

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bull****!"

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the monitors

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

Neo walks to the door on his left

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.

 

Thanks, Nior - this is perfect! Now all I have to do is read it 50 or 60 times until I finally get it!

 

Me too.

I want to see it.

GRR.

 

Thanks dude!
Hm OK, after reading this 7 times.I must admit that I still didn't understand the "chain reaction" and how could Neo destroy the sentinels.

 

Spoiler.

Damn fantastic movie. A-w-e-s-o-m-e (ignoring Capstone)

My personal guess. Zion is in the Matrix too. Its a two lair control system. This is why Neo suddenly understands his ability to manipulate things at the very end with the sentinels. Seems pretty obvious to me, even so with Bane AKA Smith returning in the 3rd movie in the "real" world; at least that is what I am guessing...

 

I Thought the action scenes were fantastic, although a few bits with the floating kicks etc reminded me of that awful crouching tiger hidden dragon rubbish.

The storyline was very good and the actign was superb, it was just that the dialouge in certain places was just pathetic, the morpheus and the french guy have a discussion for ten minutes and apart from sayign the words 'why' reason' and 'purpose' there seemed to be nothing they were actually saying.
To me all the dialouge was there because the directer THOUGHT he was being clever, but was in fact talking absolute s**t.

But apart from that it was good, a little green, and not as good as the first, but still very good.


And i hope you all waited after the credits for the revolutions preview.

PS: SPOILER little question: Is the next film called revolutions because the humans revolt against the robots or because the matrix goes round in circles (6th time remember?). It's a clever title i must admit.

 

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A "matrix inside a matrix". A most interesting ending for the movie. I've never read anything about the subject but I gotta hand it to the makers that it was well made. I wonder what the true reality is like though. Guess we'll have to wait until part 3 for that.

I'm glad they didn't make the agents any less efficient in this one. I was afraid from the trailer that every frigging human could beat agents now instead of just Neo, but obviously that was not the case. For the comment someone stated above about how everyone had their own agents, the oracle explained that part. As is familiar with computerprograms, there's always trash somewhere that stays around until someone specifically cleans it up.. that's what those other agents were. I'd ask you to take note though that the most advanced trash-agents there were (the ghosts) where nowhere nearly as advanced as the real agents. Only thing the ghosts had was the ability to phase. They couldn't take over humans and "teleport" around. They weren't nearly as fast or as powerful, or as tough as the real agents.

Things wrong with the film? Some of the fights for one. In matrix one, near the end they used the aftershadowing brilliantly to bring out the incredible speed of the moves. In Reloaded there was not an ounce of "matrix" in the first fights, it looked just like any common martial-arts movie. The moves were slow and clumsy and Neo looked like something the agents from matrix one would've beaten in a second. Second, the effects sucked on the Neo vs. Smiths scene in that backyard. Even though the Smiths were splendidly done, Neo's computerized image had textures and animation so sucky almost I could make better with StudioMax. Also there was far too much dramatic bullcrap about love and the fate of the world. The splendid simplicity of the first movie should've been kept in this one as well. About the most ridiculous part though, was Morpheus' speech in Zion. He sounded like that stupid muscle in Mortal Combat 2 (who played the part of the baddie there). I've so much respect for Fishburne though that I can't believe he would've screwed the nyances of his speech to sound like the whining of a stupid brat himself. Someone had a real bad vision of a good speech there. Even the contents of what he said was dull and meaningless save for the last part of it all. Someone in the crew definitely watches too much WWF.. and obviously fails to learn anything from it even.

All in all the film was pretty good though. I don't think the 2,5h was too long either, even though I do agree that its "replay value" isn't nearly as high as with matrix one. Even if it is clear that matrix one is the best of this trilogy, and was definitely first made as a stand-alone movie, Reloaded did come out as a very entertaining, above the average piece of work. And I'm definitely waiting for Revolutions.

 

Yeah Nobleman I agree with you there are Matrixes inside Matrixes.Damn 6 Matrix inside each other, now that's the stuff, I wonder what is going to happen after Neo "wakes up".
Oh no, was there a Revolutions teaser after the movie?Oh no
*goes to see M:R again*

 

Matrix inside a matrix is definitely a possibility (explaining what the architect does with that other .1%), and might explain Neo's ability to stop the sentinels.

Another possibility, however, is that we can glean from the architect's speech that the creation of the one is not fortuitous. It is an integral part of the matrix system. The One is created by the system itself in order to handle that nagging .1 percent of subjects that don't accept the program when given the choice. Neo has been tampered with by the architect...when he speaks of the "code you possess", it is likely that the architect put it there. In that sense, Neo has a relationship with the system that runs deeper than with other humans, not necessarily obliging him to 'jack in' to interact with the machines that made him, or parts of him at any rate. Thus, when Neo stops the sentinels, he isn't necessarily activating his own personal EMP. He may just be telling them, in whatever code he possesses but does not understand, to lay down and play dead...hit the kill switch, if you'll excuse the pun.

I like this better than the matrix-within-the-matrix explanation, because the latter wouldn't necessarily make any difference as concerns the integrity of the matrix itself. Humans are batteries (I had the hardest time trying to figure out why Switch said "Listen up, Coppertop" to Neo when they were in the car. Neo's not a redhead. He's a brunette. It all became clear later, naturally..). Would they really go to all the trouble to create another matrix just to harvest the bioelectricity of .1 percent of the population? Wouldn't that require more power than they can provide?

No, I think, as the Architect says, that Zion is a very real threat to the system and that the only way he can think to manage it is this cyclical destruction/rebirth of Zion.

Just to clear it up, Zion has definitely not been destroyed.

And make sure that if you see the (excellent) film, keep your seat UNTIL THE CREDITS ARE OVER. You'll get a preview for Revolutions. (Ditto for the video game.)

 

If it's a question of the real world, then it's definitely matrix inside a matrix. For unless Neo was an inherent mage (so much for the real world) or plugged from within with some sort of cybernetic system that would allow him to remote connect with the machine network (which would've been seen in the bodyscans of matrix 1, or in the end of matrix 2 for that matter), there's no way he could've done to the sentinels what he did.

I've not yet worked out any great big fullproof ideas of what is actually going on, but for now I definitely see that this "reality" they are in is just another matrix, or a level of the one matrix that is inpassable by normal means. Not just for Neo, but for all of them who live there. For the reason, I can think of no other than just one of the failed programs that have not yet been destroyed (possibly originally even created by either the Oracle or the first "One" to leave a legacy inside the matrix to act as a safehouse for the aware humans and as a "training-ground" for the One who would end the battle), and Zion would be it's core. Probably Neo will not end up saving Zion directly in part 3, but rather become aware of the "true" reality and in effect shut down this false "real world" as well. Whatever he'll discover then is anyone's guess.

Edit: Well it was a nice idea. But after finally reading that discussion with the Architect, I realise that the "real world" is indeed the "some measure of control" that the Achitect had built for the One and those likeminded to him. It is the place offered to those who could not accept the matrix as it is, something to keep the 0.1% from *really* waking up in the real world, the trash that would be emptied once it had fulfilled its purpose of gathering in "the One" and containing him for destruction. Neo was never supposed to become aware of it though, he was never supposed to become incompatible for both words, so to say. There are no more matrixes, just the one, which Zion is a part of. Oh yes. The plot is very interesting, I suddenly feel like waiting for number three all the more eagerly.

Just to make the point clear. No. They would not go that far just to get their bioelectricity. They would go that far to ensure that the rest of the system (the 99.9% of the people) would be kept steady and working. As the Architect said, this was the best matrix ever developed, but it contained within it the 0.1% that would destroy the system if they were unchecked.

[ May 25, 2003, 12:55: Message edited by: Foradasthar ]

 

I can't wait any longer to go and see the movie but the cinema's are crapped with people! I guess I'll have to wait until it settles down a bit... BTW,(a bit of topic) so far I haven't heard a single great comment on the game: Enter the Matrix. The action is good, but it is awfully short and my friends say it's not worth so much money. Any comments?

 

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/board/thread/1555400

Another vision to what's going on. An interesting post. The idea of the love between a human and an AI is ver anime-like, which makes it even more believable. Guess we'll really have to wait to see what the heck is actually going on.

 

Interesting link. Wonder if it'll play out like that in part three...

One part of the link that doesn't jive is the Persephone-as-tester role. In the game, which plays in tandem with the film, Persephone gets to kiss everybody...including Naiobi which, frankly, was pretty hot. (Live action, not CG.)

I don't think Neo's neutralizing the sentinels necessarily has to mean that Zion is another matrix. It's one possibility among many, all yet to be explained...but frankly, I think I'm resisting the matrix-in-matrix scenario because that would be an awfully depressing end to the trilogy. I'm pulling for the Human/Machine-Unification-Let's-Work-Together-to-Restore-The-Skies ending.

 

I agree with Capstone. The cave scene was, imo, just awful. I was almost embarassed to watch it I thought it was so silly.

The flick was redeemed later and was overall pretty good but nothing spectacular imo.

I had thought the reason Neo was able to damage the machines though had to do with his interaction with Smith. Just as Smith was changed when Neo did whatever it was he did to him, Neo too was also changed. Smith picked up some of Neo's attributes in his ability to shape the matrix and Neo picked up some of Smith's machine like attributes which carried over to the real world. A sort of tit for tat. I dunno, may be crazy. Hadn't considered the matrix in a matrix but that could be fun - we'll see I guess.