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Throwing in a level or two

Discussion in 'Dungeons & Dragons + Other RPGs' started by chevalier, Nov 1, 2003.

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    I'm unclear with your definition of "believe" here. If you mean by believe, "acknowledge the existence of," then it's pretty much certain that everyone believes in all the gods, and almost everyone has a patron deity.

    However, Clerics can believe in a certain philosophy. When such a Cleric casts something such as Commune or Planar Ally, a philosophical power who shares his views helps him out. The Powers that Be that agree with the god-less Cleric (although he has reverence for the appropriate deities, of course) grant him the powers. That's kind of the way I see it. A Fighter/Cleric might be a "Blessed champion of the Lords of Air," and he would draw power not from the philosophy of air, but rather, beings of Air (good ones, evil ones, whatever).

    In the end, you can probably compare the godless Cleric to the Druid. Both do not believe in a philosophy of something, but rather revere/are one with something, an ideal, such as Good, Evil, Air, Nature, etc. That is how they draw their power. Worship need not be involved.
     
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    By godless I meant not a patron-less cleric, but one that refuses to acknowledge the existence of gods (I suppose such people, not only clerics, amount to close to zero, anyway), or one that refuses to defer to gods, claiming that they're not proper deities, they're not divine, but they're just lucky mortals who've gained some power but are no more divine than the rest of us - that's probably the most common pattern of godlessness in d&d, AFAIK.

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    how could refuse to believe something that's a documented fact?
     
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    Actually, deities (at least in Greyhawk or FR) or pretty much that: mortals gained a whole bunch of levels, gained immortality (somehow or other), then established and expanded their portfolios.

    I think that many times, a Cleric, Paladin, other characters does not so much directly worship a deity (as we do in our society) as they do revere what they represent and stand for. But we are getting really :yot: here.
     
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