Weapon Selection for My Party

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I have a problem with the "medieval setting" defense for the romance. In every other way, the sexual attitudes of modern western society (NOT medievil society) like equal rights, openness to homosexuality, and tolerance for sex out of wedlock prevail within nearly every D&D setting out there. I find it highly unlikely that our modern views on incest or pedophilia (although it would technically be ephebophilia in Saerlith's case**) do not carry over to Faerun as well.

**And not even necessarily ephebophilia, since that would mean that the man is attracted to young girls to the exclusion of women his own age. Nevertheless, western society does frown on this type of relationship.

 

I agree 100% with Drew. You can't project a historical standard onto the game because the game has no historical mirror. All you can do is notice that the game has gone to great lengths to conform with many modern standards with regard to gender roles, sex, homosexuality, etc.. Therefore it seems perfectly fine and dandy to regard the mod as rather creepy, as I do think it is.

 

Just how this comment by T2Bruno

can be construed as "poo-pooing" the mod is beyond me... T2Bruno is just stating his personal opinion which is what people do on the Boards furthermore although there is no question mark "isn't 15 a bit young for an NPC" is not a definitive statement but rather an interrogation. You may well argue that's it a rhetorical question, at the end of the day it is much less assertive than "it's a bit young".

You gave an example about eating calamari, now let's take another example: if I don't eat pork because of my religious persuasion, you may consider that I'm missing something, but no amount of persuasion or argumentation is going to convince me to eat a salami, ham or pork chops. However you'll probably succeed in offending me if you badger me with too much criticism for being unwilling to experiment.

Do you sincerely believe that BG2 has much to do with actual roleplaying? You get a script i.e. dialogue options, a limited scope and a limited number of alternatives.
IMHO that is not true roleplaying and hardly a substitute. To a certain extent you can make up a background story for your character and define a certain set of reactions depending on circumstances but that's as far as RPing will go in BG2.

To judge and deride T2Bruno's "abilities" means that you overlook one central aspect of RPing:
RPing is meant to be fun, it is a game, not a contest with a prize for the best RPer.
Different people RP differently, the main thing is to have fun and enjoy the ride.

I hope I don't sound too judgemental. You have a sense of humour and you like to argue but you should take it easy and not pass that sort of judgements which can be deemed offensive (the more so since T2Bruno was probably playing D&D when you were still wearing nappies -no offence meant by this comment by the way).

I found your remarks way too patronizing, smileys or no smileys, if T2Bruno doesn't want to play the mod it's not a sign of "a closed mind" as you put it. He is entitled to his opinion. You overreacted (and judging by the length of this post I think I overreacted too). Chill out mate!

[Regarding the mod itself I intend to play it, as far as I can see it's rather well done]

 

That comment would have been absolutely fine. I even agree with it to a certain extent. But the next thing he said, invoking incest, is what sparked this.

Now, that's a solid reason to not eat pork, because it's pork and only pork. A better comparison would be pizza. Pepperoni is a pork product, and a completely optional topping for a pizza. But is the possibility that someone might make a mistake and put pepperoni on a pizza a good reason to never order any kind of pizza, ever? No, it's ridiculous; especially since, if they do give you a pizza with pepperoni on it, you can just send it back.

Yes, you do have to inject it into an otherwise RP-bland game, but it can easily be done. Check into Quayle's Story in CS if you don't believe me.

Seriously, what is with the constant misinterpretation? It's seeming almost willfull after I've explained myself so many times. Anyway, I've said repeatedly that T2's abilities may be great, but the fact is that being unwilling to try something else is a block toward stretching your roleplaying skills. Apparently I cannot emphasize this word enough for it to sink in, so I'll say it again: STRETCHING. If you take that as a derision on his abilities, that's your problem; it is merely a neutral statement of fact. (Though I did probably go a bit far with the "pity" part.)

No chance of that. I sincerely doubt that when people look between my posts and yours in this thread that they'll pick you out as the judgemental one.

It is closed, by definition, to the idea of playing the mod. Closed off from even considering it, despite the very real possibility that he may actually like it provided he doesn't romance her. I don't know how much more simple it could be.

 

Nothing more to add, aside from the question "how can you know you don't enjoy it if you don't try?"
See, the mod's are not food, they can be descriped to a much greater extent, as almost all visual things compared to what something tastes like. You can read reviews, ask opinions, read the description. And after these, you probably could have made some sort of opinion about it. As Aldeth said, it's like those who don't go to a movie because there's sex (or any other disliked) scene in it.
Me, myself, don't find the mod that bad, aside from the fact that she's fifteen years old paladin of that level, as stated. And i thought Sigil was not really as good as in PS:T. The romance is optional, and not forced to take if you want to play it.
Call this argument of mine bland if you want, but it shows how little actual interest I hold to debate about opinions of this kind.

 

Ah, but what if there were a way to see the movie without the sex scene? (Some sort of recall for editing, maybe...) What would you think of people who still refused to see it, based solely on the fact there was (emphasis on the "was") a sex scene in it? Would you refuse to go see a good, otherwise wholesome movie because you heard the DVD release had extra scenes that included a sex scene?

 

You don't "HAVE TO" it's not a question of obligation, it's a possibility. You can do it if you want to.

Not very neutral and not very factual since basically it's only your opinion.

Rest my case. That's what is called neutrality. At least you admit that you've probably gone too far with your sarcasms.

[EDIT:

That's good to know I'm the judgemental one.]

 

Well, that's a good point. But I still stay in my opinion that it's anyone's own choice to play or not to play. If Bruno doesn't want to play because it has choice to romance, but not forced one, then he doesn't want to, simple as that. Perhaps we should just stop this whole argument, seeing that it's very pointless, as he's obvisiously made his mind about not playing?
Anyways, I think Fel was referring that if you want to have RP in it, you have to inject it yourself.

On the sidenote, I do know people who don't want to see the movie exactly because it had such scene, even on DVD later. Not that it really matters much.

 

I just can't understand why the fact that she's 15 is a problem in the first place. If she was 16, and therefore able to consent, would the mod suddenly become OK? Or if she was 18? Perhaps a better question is, "Would the mod be that much different?" Not really. We'd still be scratching our heads of how someone who was still a teen had somehow been capable of being a very experienced paladin.

Furthermore, while there is a romance, it certainly doesn't appear to be sexual in anyway. I haven't got through the whole romance yet (at least I don't think I have) but from what I have seen, there is nothing in there that would indicate any type of sex. The most that happens is you can kiss Sarelith in a couple of instances, and even then it is usually on the hand.

 

Yeah, I meant that you have to inject it in order to get some RPing in there, not that it's a requirement for the game.

How is it only my opinion that refusing to do something blocks you from doing it? I would think that'd be pretty simple logic. If you refuse to try to stretch your roleplaying abilities, that naturally blocks you from doing so, because you are literally keeping yourself from doing it.

Seriously, WTF? Are you guys pulling some prank on me, or what? I say I doubt anyone will think you're judgemental and suddenly I've said you were? Has everyone gone completely insane?

 

Not insane, but definetly in need of something more important to occupy their time with.

It's a harmless, slightly buggy and generally fun NPC mod.

Playing it doesn't turn you into a paedophile.
Not playing it doesn't somehow make you ignorant or deficient.

**On Topic**
Stick with the hammer from D'Arnise keep till CF and head on down to Watcher's Keep to pick up Foebane+3 soon as you're capable of defeating the statues.

 

Don't fret, you're fine, I forgot to put the smiley at the end of my last post...

What do you mean by "slightly buggy"? Anything serious?

 

To get Foebane all you have to do is grab the book from the alter, this will trigger a small group of statues to attack you. One is a fighter which has Foebane. The larger group will not turn hostile until you open the portal to the next level.

As i recall, the Saerilith dragon is extremely weak. My team of Saerilith, Aerie and A PC Swashy beat it with well under 500,000 exp per person.

The de'Arnise hammer does less damage then Saeriliths' +1 bastard sword which she starts with. I would just use that until the hammer of Tyr or Foebane.