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Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Shralp, Nov 20, 2002.

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  1. Shralp Gems: 18/31
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    Shralp, Nov 20, 2002
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    Morgoth La lune ne garde aucune rancune Veteran

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    Thats weird, in Holland all the rightwingers(wannabees) I know are against the EU, hmm... :confused:

    @Shralp
    With the Americans as the fattest population on earth, that aint really a difference anymore :D

    [ November 20, 2002, 22:30: Message edited by: Morgoth ]
     
    Morgoth, Nov 20, 2002
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    In the UK, the main difference between the sexes is the location.

    LIVING ROOM, WATCHING TV: Male
    KITCHEN, WASHING UP: Female

    See, its quite easy if you stay alert!

    ;) ;) :D

    [ November 20, 2002, 22:39: Message edited by: Sir Yerril of Morningmist ]
     
    Yerril, Nov 20, 2002
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    @Morgoth - that was just a hit below the belt... a good one though... and truth...
     
    Register, Nov 20, 2002
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    Oh woe, now we are completely surrounded by NATO, hopefully Russia wont join and then we have atleast one unallied nation in our vicinity.
    Oh and yes, the swedish goverment did sell us out to the EU today, not that I disagree but the whole way it was handled was very questionable. I dont trust those 92% btw. Shralp, there is a mileswide chasm between what you call rightwing and what we here call rightwing, the most rightwing party here in Sweden is slightly left of the democrats :D
     
    joacqin, Nov 20, 2002
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    I am from Slovenia and I don't like NATO and that stufff...better remain neutral :rolleyes:
     
    Saruman, Nov 21, 2002
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    I always suspected that Slovenia was Isengard.
     
    Shralp, Nov 21, 2002
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    Shralp, those "real" commies you're looking for? They're still out there. They're in North American universities majoring in Environmental Issues and Women's Studies, and they're living in "feminist socialist lesbian collectives". I'm pretty sure they have ICBMs. They definitely have mustaches. :p
     
    Sprite, Nov 21, 2002
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    Morgoth La lune ne garde aucune rancune Veteran

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    [​IMG] Shralp is a probably commie himself, he´s just in denial

    (The same deal with homophobes, a great deal of those people are gay themselves)

    [ November 21, 2002, 17:17: Message edited by: Morgoth ]
     
    Morgoth, Nov 21, 2002
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    Shop Shralp!

    For all your commie homophobe needs!
     
    Shralp, Nov 21, 2002
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    Shouldn't you add anti-British to that list, Shralp, you good-for nothing, fatass, dumb-as-crap American?

    :D :D :D :D
     
    Yerril, Nov 21, 2002
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    Thats true...But there were only 113 asked, and youth in a public forum like this one, so it is far from accurate information, but thats all I got :)
     
    Turandil, Nov 21, 2002
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    [​IMG] Russia thinks NATO is a pointless organization with no purpose any more, a gentleman's club for respectable countries which uphold democracy, if you will. So the last thing they'd do is join it.

    You can have thousands of more or less intelligent debates about whether joining NATO is a good or a bad thing (and we have lots of morons here in Slovenia yakking about how we shouldn't join NATO and remain neutral etc.), but in the end, it all boils down to this - it's better to be in than out. Which, in politics, means a clearly defined goal to be in.

    What cracks me up the most are the idiots here screaming on top of their lungs how we shouldn't join NATO and remain neutral... People, Switzerland is the only country in Europe which can afford to be at least somewhat neutral should any major conflict arise (again), because all European countries (and many others) share an interest that it stays that way. (No matter what, the piggy-bank stays safe and sound, this is in everyone's interest since they all have money there.)

    Of the conflicts/wars that were fought anywhere near here in the last, oh, say 500 hundred years, in how many of these was the area where Slovenia is now, neutral? To my knowledge, none.

    As for being neutral in more international conflicts, well... Some of them might creep behind you and bite you in the ass, if you don't pay them any attention. And we hardly have a war machine so large that our cooperation in any conflict would mean much more than a real life experience for the soldiers who took part. And considering the size of our army this, again, doesn't mean much.

    Sure, you can declare you neutrality all you want. But unless you have something to back it up with, no one will care. Especially not in war.

    [ November 22, 2002, 12:24: Message edited by: Taluntain ]
     
    Taluntain, Nov 22, 2002
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    Okay, here is my argument on communism to all those that have been tottling off about how wonderful or dreadful communism is.

    Its a brilliant idea ... in theory. I mean, the whole idea of equality is wonderful. But the thing is is that if we were to follow a strict communist regime, we could have no government otherwise it would not be equal. The economy would fail as we wouldn't be allowed to trade. Everyone gets the same, equal amounts regardless how hard you work.

    Personally, if i was working my butt of off as a scientist or something, and I saw some guy getting the same pay as me in MacDonalds, I'd get pretty pissed off knowing that I've studied so hard to gain a job of prestige to know that it would bare hardly any significance or importance. Also, if i was working as hard as I could and i saw someone with the same job working like a sloth and yet still getting paid the same as me, I'd say "What the heck" and slacken off as there is no real inncentive to work. Hence eventually everyone would pick up on this, slacken off, allow the economy to fail and eventually decend into anarchy ...

    My words on communism? "Damn"
     
    Sniper, Nov 22, 2002
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  16. Taluntain

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    [​IMG] This isn't a topic on communist doctrine, there are plenty of others where this view has been heard dozens of times before. So no more posts about this here, please. Go make a new topic discussing it, if you want. Or pick up one of the dozen existing ones and add to it. If you have anything to post here, it should have to do with NATO.
     
    Taluntain, Nov 22, 2002
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    Well, Russia doesn't quite regard NATO as irrelevant, Tal. Otherwise they wouldn't protest so loudly when we include former Soviet satellites (especially the Baltics). I do wonder why they haven't asked or been asked to join.

    Heck, that'd make China soil their undies.

    Spot on analysis otherwise, though. It just makes sense to join the in crowd, even if it is largely irrelevant.
     
    Shralp, Nov 22, 2002
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    In conflicts there can be a great advantage being free from alliances; See Sweden for example during the cold war and other conflicts, we gaines much popularity as a conflict solver medling between the Nato and the Warzawa pact. Keeping out of war is also good, cause all wars realy suck. For example if we fought in the WW2 we would just have been another nazi state, instead of useless fighting we could use our advantage to help build up Europe after the war, and so we gained mych mony and respect. That way we did much more good then to die by the hands oh german soldiers. Its good to controll our military for ourselfs, not letting others do the decisions, its good to be in controll of your own nations military. Keeping out from unwanted conflict, and the opposite for example.
    War sucks... Specially USAs wars, the purpose of those´is sooo good. :roll eyes:
     
    Turandil, Nov 22, 2002
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    [​IMG] Yes, much respect for Sweden. Standing idly by while an entire continent is swallowed up by a fascist regime whose policies included genocide... :rolleyes:

    Sometimes you need to get involved. Especially with an example like WW2! The US remained neutral for a while, at least militarily. We sent materiel and weapons to England and Russia until we were attacked by Japan. WW2 really was black and white - good vs. evil. Personally, I would have been ashamed if the US didn't do anything to stop Hitler. Plus, the world would be a much darker place if nazi Germany wasn't defeated.

    As for now, I think our current stance on foreign policy is warranted. The US gives billions of dollars in aid to nations around the world, and still people go to great pains to attack us. I personally, am glad we're finally taking the fight to terrorists! They're tough when they're blowing up office buildings and little kids - But since we've been capturing and bombing them...They finally have to pay for their actions.

    But I'm getting off topic. Preventing war is a good thing, and should always be the first priority. But sometimes, there is no choice but to stand up for what you believe in.
     
    Sir Belisarius, Nov 22, 2002
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    Well, Hitler was as good as defeated when the USA troops landed on Normandy but I see your point. I understand that the swedes prefered to stay out of the conflict military, because if they interfeared they would surely be another nazi state, wich would be even more a advantage of the nazi pigs. But I think that we should have helped the allies and sovjet with suplies.
     
    Turandil, Nov 22, 2002
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