What did you do to remember 9/11?

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No, i don't think all Arabs are evil, but i think many are. Didn't you see the thousands celebrating on 9/11?! I was watching a program about some ultra rich Arabian kid coming to live in Britain. This guy was loaded (and when i say loaded i mean billionare) he saw a t-shirt he liked, but when he turned it round and it had a little American flag on the label, he would'nt buy it, he through it down and said something in whatever language he speaks. This is why i think Arabia is evil. This kid was richer than most Americans, he had no reason to act like that.

[ September 16, 2002, 20:20: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

 

Quite clearly Z-Layrex you have very little comprehension of what life is like in the Arab countries and nor do you clearly understand the word 'evil'.
True evil is a person who will kill for the sake of it, who enjoys the suffering of others or who uses vindictive means for his own good.
A boy stamping on a T-shirt is not evil.
A boy stamping on a T-shirt is someone who has a statement to make. someone who has a purpose to do what he does. Someone who wants to draw attention to his act because he believes the Flag is Evil !

What many of you fail to understand is that although you rant about how evil the arab states are you fail to realise that they think exactly the same about us.
And with good reason. America and Britain in the last tw centuries have turned the world upside down. First the British empire swept across the world destroying many countries and taking millions of slaves. Then the Americans go through an economic boom and instead of letting everyone else catch up they drive poorer states down even further. The 3rd world debt for example. These countries borrow money from people who have dictated their lives for years and then are told that they must pay soon or be in big trouble?

And now America, Britain and the so-called (spit) peacekeepers run around the middle east butting in on their wars when not so long ago these 1st world countries had been doing much worse.
The fact is that America has asked for what it got. It butted itself into foreign affairs and claimed to be all wise and peaceful and then gets angry when someone tells them to sod off.

And as for the disaster itself...Yes it was bad. But only to us. Life in Arab countries is totally different. People see violence and death everyday. Bombs go off and militant groups struggle against each other. Life is very tough and disease is much more common. If they thought that the death of 6000 people would bring millions of them a better quality of life then they would do it!
I don't understand the way they think. You don't understand the way they think. but they don't understand us!
Diplomatically the middle east is powerless. Terrorists take the task of getting their voices heard into their own hands and things like the two towers disaster are their way of saying 'Give us our lives back!'

And as for dancing on the streets. Well they did it because they are made to believe that the western world is a great evil. They are brainwashed. But then so are you. everyday you are told about how evil Osama is and that America is only trying to rid the world of evil.
Personally i think both places are as bad as each other. I stay on the neutral ground and so do most of my friends.
In my opinion anyone who believes in blasting the hell out of an entire sub-continent in retaliation for one terrorist act, is just as evil as those who hijacked the planes. You have both been brainwashed and you both think people should pay with their lives simply because you are told they are evil.

Z-Layrex. If i were you i would keep your racist remarks to yourself, Take a step back, learn both points of view. See what the western world has inflicted on the Middle east and then take the neutral ground.
Anyone who supports this oncoming slaughter in any way is a brainwashed moron.

 

Demographic note: Arabia is not a place anymore.

 

Poodle i am not racist. I don't hate blacks, Asians, Arabs (although their whole culture is wrong), Latinos or any other type of person. I will never understand these people's culture, and yes i think it is evil HOWEVER... many of these people obviously arn't. In MY OWN OPINION, I think their way of life is screwed. It's just what i think and you giving me some history lesson on the big bad super powers isn't going to change my mind. America and Britain would likely leave them alone if they'd for one freaking minute stop blowing themselves and others up!

[ September 17, 2002, 16:02: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

 

Wow! Strong words. I'm an American and I don't believe that Arab culture is evil. I believe that their rulers are evil and the ones who get the publicity are. The average Arab citizen couldn't care less what goes on outside their own country, the same as anybody else in the world.

Their rulers have been brainwashing them with so-called Islamic rhetoric. No, I am not a Muslim, but I have read parts of the Koran, and nowhere in it are any of their acts against America justified. They simply believe that we live a decadant lifestyle, despite the fact that we are their livelihood.

 

Talk about self-contradiction...

Sir Dargorn: Amen bro. Well said.

-thanos

 

Z-Layrex, that statement is so not true. I believe what you meant was that you disapprove the fundamentalist islamic culture? If not, well, in that case my opinion of you just took a nosedive...

Ara
(Mathematics is fun... especially when the teacher doesn't realize that you're asleep..)

 

Yes Ara i dissaprove of the extereme way they are ruled and made to work. I have very little against Islam itself. Hell it means 'peace' in Arabic (though it seems a bit ironic now that the crazy rulars have ruined Islam forever).

 

Sir Dargorn,

You choose to single out Britain for destroying much of the world during the last two hundred years. While this may be true, you fail to mention the other Europeans that were right there with them. The Dutch specifically come to mind.
As for America, yes we are paying the price for misguided diplomacy. But you fail to mention Russia. They were the main competitor with the US and did at least as much damage. Much of US international policy since 1945 has been based on thwarting the (now defunct) USSR.

Really? 3000 civilians asked to be killed? I missed that.

On topic:
I mourned.

[ September 17, 2002, 16:10: Message edited by: Jack Funk ]

 

Sorry Jack funk but what you have quoted of me is something i regret typing. I said the right thing in thw wrong way.
I do not think those civilians deserved to die i just believe that after all those years of western domination it is not so shocking that they got bitten back.

And i know that Russia and the Dutch have done things.........and a lot of other countries too, but they are not involved in this latest dispute so i left them out.

 

Sir Dargorn,

Thanks for clarifying. You never seemed that callous in the past.
As for the other countries, wouldn't it be nice if they got involved in cleaning up the the mess they helped make in the first place? Not just in the Middle East, but Africa as well.

 

Claiming moral equivalency like Dargorn does is the sign of a sick age. Only someone willfully blind could compare the societies of the UK and the US with the Middle East countries and be able to say that each is equally evil.

For every debt that you whine about, the US and UK have forgiven as much or more in foreign aid. When is the last time you heard of Iraqi foreign aid?

For every backing of the wrong side in a foreign conflict, the US and UK have kept the peace in twice as many regions. When is the last time you heard of Syrian peacekeeping troops?

It's ridiculous (and evidence that socialist theories of economics live on) to think that the US and UK raised their standards of living by trodding on 3rd World countries. We have enriched them. China is becoming an economic powerhouse because of the US and UK. Other countries have lifted themselves out of poverty before because they rode the coattails of the Western powers.

There is no moral equivalence here. Even if, a point I do not concede, great evils have been done in the past by the US and UK, that does not give you license throw up your hands and walk away.

The important part is that here, today, now you must decide who is in the right. You seem to want to roll over and surrender -- to just declare that the question is too difficult for you to answer so you don't have to face the fact that very bad things can happen to you and those you love because a fight against evil is imminent.

That, my friend, is pure cowardice.

[ September 18, 2002, 15:45: Message edited by: Shralp ]

 

I couldn't agree with Shralp more. I don't see how you can be so anti against your own country poodle?..

[ September 18, 2002, 17:10: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

 

http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb10/frieden/themen/Embargo/sponeck.html (it's german)
Ever heard about Embargo?
http://www.geocities.com/iraqinfo/index.html?page=/iraqinfo/sanctions/sanctions.html
(it's english)

 

I didn't do anything to remember 9/11. Everybody in Holland should have had one minute of silence, but I forgot. We had a few minutes of silence last year, I would have been silent out of respect for the people who died, if I had remembered. Do Americans have one minute of silence to think of the millions of Dutch and other Europeans who died in the Second World War?

 

Yes. Not sure what the date is. Is it the same as over here?

 

Shralp. Sorry man. But it is my opinion. America is becoming corrupted by it's politicians and especially it's redneck gun toting president.
Shralp i thought you were journalist. Surely you should be able to understand how different cultures work.
The true evil in this case is purely a matter of opinion. Both can be seen to be bad if looked at in the right respect.
The Middle Eastern culture believes us to be evil and vice versa. But who is right? no one is actually right!
You are just brainwashed by a constant barrage of media of obvious jubious reliability, in which you are TOLD that the middle east is the den of evil. i am sorry but in my opinion. Both Saddam AND Bush need to be thrown off their thrones.

@Z-Layrex. i am patriotic with my own country. But only if it is in my opinion, right. The government is in my opinion wrong and i refuse to be, like you, a sheep following the shepard that is propaganda and blatent biase.

[ September 18, 2002, 22:08: Message edited by: Sir Dargorn ]

 

The day you're thinking of Z is Veteran's Day. In common wealth countries and various others it's called Rememberance Day: the 11th day of the 11th month. As with every other nation that remembers, that day was originally set aside to remember the lives lost in the Great War. Unfortunately, remembering doesn't seem to have done all that much good. The day has since been officially adopted for veterans of WWII, and more recently for vets of the Korean War and in the US the Vietnam war - these last two have only been officially included during the last few years. - "Lest we forget"

 

I couldn't agree with Sir Dargorn, he seems like a wise man. Z-Layrex is a fool, I feel sorry for him.

Please, don't forget about Chile.

 

Looked at in the "right respect" but definitely NOT the same respect. The US has done bad things in the past (slavery comes to mind... but that is neither here nor there, along with Hiroshima and Nagasaki) but those are scattered events, occurring in very different times and very different circumstances. Iraq has shown rather evil tendencies in the present as well as in the past.
On the other side of the coin though, the US has shown an annoying (and dangerous) tendency to stick its nose in most other countries' affairs. Do the ends justify the means? Depends on who you ask.

-I know you directed that comment at Z-Layrex, but hopefully you'll forgive me for answering, but I have always believed a patriot to be someone who strongly supports their country. Do you, or do you not support your country's actions?

Just because someone supports their government, doesn't mean that they are following it blindly. There is a fine line between loyalty and blind loyalty.

There is absolutely no need for you to insult Z-Layrex. He is loyal to the US government, one that he likely thinks is right. You may disagree with him, but you should NOT insult him for having a different opinion.