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What do you want America to do?

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Grey Magistrate, Jul 10, 2004.

  1. BOC

    BOC Let the wild run free Veteran

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    In this case I will be glad to enlighten you. Because the british army couldn't face the boers' guerilla tactics successfully, the british high command decided to cut them off from what provided them supplies and shelter and this was the boers' civilians. The british army started to burn boers' farms and led boers' civilians (mostly women and children since the men were fighting) to concentration camps. It is estimated that more than 20000 boers' women and children and an unknown number of black africans died in these camps due to starvation and disease.
     
  2. Shoshino

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    heh heh, if you read into any sources you would see that the british created the camps in an effort to house the people left homeless by the destruction of their homes and farms, but there were so many homeless and the british army came first, many died from disease:

    "The scorched earth policy had created additional problems for Kitchener, now left in charge of thousands of homeless women, children and elderly. His solution was to round them up and install them in concentration camps. The humanitarian motives behind the camps were impeccable, but the lack of adequate resources to cater for the huge influx of refugees left the camps at the mercy of epidemics and thousands died."
    - HardyBwar, collins 1997
     
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    Well, the incompetence of the British command at that time isn't disputed and that the supply situatation was abysmal. And that the British themselves had to suffer from it, doesn't make it any better in the end. They wanted to win the war, the rounded up the civilian population in camps, that became death camps. They could have done from the beginning what they did afterwards, find an agreement from which both sides profited. But first, they chose stalwardly to round up the population like caddle, and leave them to die. Far more people were starved to dead then soldiers died in the field, It does not matter if their intention was that from the beginning, it turned out to be the first death camps. That seems cruel enough to me. No difference between the British and the Spanish. They kill to win.

    here,not neutral in anyway, but nice pictures

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  4. Shoshino

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    lovely bias atricle, ever seen a nice refugee camp? - do you think it would have been better to simply kill them because it would have saved the hassle? many other countries did that in the past.
    note that this kind of thing still in a way happens today, camp x ray where prisoners were subject to new torture techniques.
    im sure that if i bothered to search i would find pictures of the carnage of any one of the british settlements besieged by the boer.

    to my point:
    im not defending the british in that war, though i will make very clear that the boer started the war in a brutal manner. it was a war fought over greed, both british and boer, the boer saw the british as a threat because they were powerful and controlled the afrikan privinces and the british who wanted to protect their assets.
    same today, america will never 'united the world' under any moral compass, because man will never change - americans, british, french, germans, chinese, russians, dutch - anyone, will always have that element of greed, but it comes down to who has the power to act on it.
     
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