What to do with $40,000?

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Why would you need money in the underdark???
You meet so many drows there, and the dvarves pay acceptably for stuff you can't use anymore anyways.

 

The dwarves pay acceptably for the stuff obtained in the Sanguin City and whatever you didn't sell in Brynlaw after spellhold, but the Drow stuff that is available is pricy. I didn't say you need a lot, but you do need some. The +5 shield and spells available there don't come cheap.

 

Tal, keeping a mage from spellcasing is deprivation at minimum . You're even worse than Syl, and that's saying a lot !!!
Give that girl a good robe or elven armor or I'll organize a good 'n' sleazy lawyer for Imoen who'll sue your balls off . (the last in reference to a post in a whatsnot thread about a certain surgery)

Ragusa!! You're into law. Wouldn't it be a good starting point for your career to help the poor little girl against a big and evil nasty sorcerer!!! (sleazy of course does not apply to you )

Silroth

Founder of OADoFPaM
Organization Against Discrimination of Fallen Palladins and Mages (join now!!!)



[This message has been edited by Silroth (edited February 03, 2001).]

 

Well Silroth, you´re basically right. taking a dc thief-mage his most powerful weapon is really, unfriendly, in some way, could be even criminal if there would be no party to back her up

I like her as my favourite back-up mage and first thief when I play a mage and as a good back-up thief and first mage when I play a thief. I agree with Tal insofar that I also liked her to be a thief like she was in BG-1, I was pretty surprised about that joke Bioware made with her...

I once "converted" her to be a pure thief like she was in BG-1 using shadowkeeper - maybe that´s cheating, but in this certain case it´s as legitimate as changing Haer´Dalis or Anomens portraits

 

Three mages are barely enough for starters !!!
And considering all the thieves, slashers and priests in the game mages are not overrepresented, although Nalia doubling Imoen was definitly unnecessary.
But considering that Imoen stopped developping as a thief long ago, using her only as thief certainly doesn't do her justice.

 

I dont there are any good thieves in the game because imoen sucks as a thief and nalia is crap no matter what you do with so the only way of getting a decent thief is if you make one yourself. I think Tal is right there are so many mages and the only good one is Edwin. there are enough clerics/druids but aerie is too annoying to have in the party for a long time, same with Anomen and Viconia sorta doesnt fit in with Keldorn and my paladins, Jaheira is only fun once or twice, and if Cernd is not in his greater werewolf shape he gets killed very fast.

 

There is no really good allround-thief in the game. I dislike Yoshi from personal experience and Jan-Jansen is something special. Nalia definitely sucks as a thief. Little sister is quite capable in disarm traps and open locks but sucks at any other discipline.
So the only choice left is a) to team Imoen and for example Valygar or Minsc as thief/ scout or b) play a thief yourself (which really solves some of your problems in party composition but it is boring the second + time). And of course there is shadowkeeper..

 

Counting a bard as a mage??
Well now...
Then you have to add Valygar and Minsc (and Boo) to priests.
You have 2 full mages Nalia and Edwin, Imoen, Aerie and Jan are half mages.
With Mazzy, Korgan and Kheldorn you have three full fighters. Valygar, Minsc and Jaheira count half (I don't want to be flamed into another dimension, so I didn't add Haer'Dalis as half fighter).

You can complete the statistics for priests/druids and thieves.

So counting only the big classes its pretty evened out!!
I sorely miss a monk, sorcerer and Grub.
I'm not saying, that the NPCs are ideal:
Kheldorn missing dex
Viconia str
Minsc dex
Haer'Dalis con
...
But if they were perfectly fitted to their task, I bet they'd be absolutly boring.

I really can't understand, why everybody puts down Nalia. With int 17 she's as good a mage as Imoen (int 17) and Edwin (int 18), but can use thieves weapons carry armor, find traps, ... . Her thieving stats fit her history well enough:
A aristocrat girl wouldn't do much backstabbing or work as assassine. If she'd been swashbuckler/mage she'd probably have been too strong.

If you think that a char is only acceptable if he/she has 18 as primary stat, your on the lower scale of powergaming.

 

You should know why no one like Nalia - she simply is a terrible thief...not to mention her talk...

 

I've actually read this topic a bunch of times. It's crammed full of good info, so I


Bump.

 

Well, I quit reading it a long time ago, so I'll add in my cent and a half worth now Anyway, I think three mages in a party(at least 2 dualed or multied) makes a great party balance. I always like to have(ideally) a fighter mage, a mage cleric, and a thief mage in my parties in some way. In BG 2, my Kensai/Mage, Ariee, and Imoen added massive spell power while still preforming other functions and not wasting space. I think 3 mages of some sort makes any party better. And I am amazed that such magical discrimination is coming from a sorcerer. Shame, shame

 

Spend the money in good items to get stronger, for you can't rescue Imoen the first time, so collect some good items, and buy what you can't get by fighting (Girlde str 19, Giant Hair Crossbow, Aeger's Hide, Bracers of defense ac 3/4 etc. Whatever you need....