Why are women drawn to a man's muscles and bodily hair (and cars and wallets)?

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It has been my experience that if I can get a woman laughing, she's already half naked. Humble intelligence is the key. Jogging helps. Eye contact. Don't ever forget that it is women who choose mates...men just walk around.

And don't kid yourselves, every woman is the most beautiful woman in the world. Keep your eyes on the one you are with. Unless you think a little competition might help move things along...

 

Is that honestly what men think?

 

@Late-Night Thinker: We're not writing a guide on how to lay down women. However, the first part (about getting them laughing) is partially correct. Still, applies to one night only and we're not speaking of how to jump in their bed for a night...

@Sir Belisarius: Education is not on top of the list. Some time ago I would defend that opinion till the last breath. But not any more.

@Satiana: I can't agree. Some of those are physically impossible. About 70% people possess average or lower intelligence, so if it were top priority turn on for women, the huge brains would be running harems, our average intelligence would be much higher (as genes improving on a large scale...) and generally whole our civilisation would revolve around intelligence.

Probably much the same could be said about wisdom, only it's easier to acquire over time than intelligence although it's also likely that there are fewer wise people than intelligent ones. Another thing is that it's very difficult, and I mean *very*, to find a man with both high intelligence and high wisdom and most of them won't be stunningly charismatic.

Warmth: I've seen very lone men with much of that and many high to top rated in attractivity ones without any.

Charisma: Not really. Attracted of course, very much attracted, but mostly just the way they would be attracted to another woman. If you include power, the ratio rises.

Strength (body and mind): Of body yes. Should be closer to the top. Of mind? Maybe... Although the priority is a bit too high IMHO.

Heart: Not charisma, not strength of mind, not warmth, not kindness - what then? Perhaps some courage, strength of personality, spirit, spirituality? Maybe... I think I could agree here.

Thoughtfulness: No way, not *most* women.

Kindness: I agree in some way. They're not seeking it, but it helps a lot indeed. However, the priority is the same as in normal relations within one gender.

Physical attraction: Yes, I agree that basic biology isn't high on the list. I think it's actually more important than you think, but I could be wrong here.

[ May 09, 2003, 22:16: Message edited by: chevalier ]

 

It's really quite simple all a woman wants is for a man to be sensitive, powerful, confident, humble, rich, handsome, intellegent, down-to-earth, have a good sense of humour, responsible, fun-loving...and he must also wear a blue lycra with a red cape and be able to fly.

 

Damn! No wonder he gets all the chicks!

* Considers dipping black cloak in a bucket of red paint but remembers that the flying is as yet an unresolvable issue *

Still, I've seen a (female) friend won over by a persistent guy (someone else! And yes, Shura does have a small number of friends in real life of the female gender even if he has no girlfriend!) with the following qualities: kindness, warmth, empathy...etc, etc...
She is a strong, intelligent and independant individual, unlike many of her peers who simply seem needy and insecure.

That's some info there that might slightly discredit the claim that women find muscles/hair and $$ solely attractive...

Though I doubt it.
Heh.

 

I think society is probably spiralling into a doom where appearence is getting so important nobody gives a purple pencil about personality.

 

@Shura: I agree a little bit.

Such occurences happen sometimes. However, where there's persistence on one side, there's sumbission on the other. Either she couldn't find a better option (for now or for good) or she just submitted for him to stop bothering her. Believe me or not, I've seen such cases and been told about some other ones by my female friends. Of course there's still some likelihood of his being finally appreciated (instead of granted his persistent begging or continuous demand) or simply getting her used to himself. The last one is probably the best that could happen to people. I call that 'usucaption method' .

Sometimes people engage in relationships with weak individuals whom they could control and have do things, which I call 'Illithid method'. In some cases 'Appeal to Vanity' also works, this time for the supposed weaklings.

But seriously the ancient art of manipulation only applies to a narrow range of objects to a bigger extent. Most of times it's just tiny half-conscious tricks that fall under the margin of error.

 

Judging on recent experiences, I would say that women are attracted to men who are fragrantly drunk, and that rational qualities such as warmth and staying power mean nothing to them at all. Maybe it's just me being bitter...

This of course, bodes little well for persistently sober old me. *long sigh*

 

Sir Bel......... I think that may be called....looking for someone who is successful. That in itself is not a bad thing.

chevalier...... from what I gather from you words, I don't think you have had good experiences with women, you sound a bit bitter. Maybe your just "looking for love in all the wrong places" so to speak.

I am not saying that those women don't exist, because that would be naive. I have met a few like that, but the majority of the women I know, or have met in my life time, are not the selfish, materialistic women, that a few of you guys seem to be describing as "all" women are in general.

It is sad to me really.....that, that is how we are viewed.

 

@Satiana: In fact I'm really speaking about the majority in general. I'm not even saying it's all conscious choice - it's how things work in general. Probably this may sound depressing if someone cares that much. And no, I'm not speaking only of my own experience very often and each time it's noted.

 

Well, I find strong, hairy, big guys with claws attractive, actually. Oh well.


I am just another hormonal 13-year old.

 

Why are women to drawn to agents and wolferine ?

 

Ah, for that we must delve deep into the psyche of Eze and Ara...a scary prospect.

 

I don't fancy the agents. Ara does. I fancy Wolverine. You want to know why?

He is HOT.

That's why.

 

I think this explains it all: http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

 

To me, both, the links posted by Ironbeard and by joacqin complete eachother and make fully sense.

Woman choses. Man is chosen. That puts a woman in the position, to intellectually justify her decision by lies. Whereas men have nearly no alternative to tell the truth.

Men are primarly chosen for physical attraction. If there are various men avaiable, money and brain come in as bonus and make the race.

 

Nah, not really. Either chooses actually. Sometimes the man, sometimes the woman. And will nearly always tell the other one it was his/her idea. It may be just a random thing, could also depend on the persons or some conditions, internal or external.

 

Maybe they are drawn to wealth because of the old days, when men had to support the family. So they are looking at prospective mates and the man who can provide for the family best.

 

Joaquin, can you give a brief summary of what your link says? I can only access the internet via the university network, and the filter objects to the name intellectualwhores.com .

 

It basically explains how men and women are attracted to each other. It is very bitter and cynical, or very practical and realistic. All depending on your view.

It is really too much to type here. Try to check it out sometimes when you have net access some other place. It is a really good theory I think and I think it is spookily correct. I think many can find it offensive though as it doesnt think highly of either men or women.

I just read your link Ironbeard, and the basis premise is the same. An intellectualwhore is the same kind of guy as the chimp in the theory you posted.